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We didn't. We just pretended to.Comment
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hi ,Originally posted by Ned
What I find the most disturbing about the developments in the '90's are
- the increasing independence of Europe (although they like to say it is the US that ignores them);
- the weakness of Europe to handle affairs even in Europe;
- the unwillingness to help the US defend itself.
This last bit, the more I think about it given all we have done for Europe in the last century, make my blood boil with anger.
1 , nope its just that they like to stick their nose more in to things , ...
2 , pffffff , they are going to africa , and dont even have planes that can fly there in one way
2 b , they have nearly 4 times the amount of the US on defense spending , yet they can only do about 0.75 of what the US is doing , ......
3 , sure but they want the US to give intel , to give this and that , .....
3 b , they cant even defend themself's , so let them , ....
why should the US use their help , or even ask for it , .....
4 , the EU supports terror , .....
for them its an accepted way on how to show their "political" views , .... 
5 , the US does not need them , ....
the EU needs the US
6 , dont even bother , ....
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"Well, Britain and France also have a nuclear deterent, but conventionally, they'd get rolled over. "
Depends all on the scenario. If the US has to rely on aircraft carriers only it'll be a problem.Comment
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Well, if we attack France, we'll have Britain's support.
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Che, You are really trying to say that Iraq had a strong defense? We used them as examples how NOT to do things on many occations. They just suck at it, pure and simple. And it is not all about the guns there, it's about the whole system, how they manage to use them and their knowhow, which they apparently don't have. I don't know about Yugoslav though, but i doubt it hard they had a good system. China has. It's not about the gun, it's about how it is used. Like basic infantryman vs. real superhardcore guerilla with 10 year combat experience, if you will
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Besides, you can't 'buy' defense. It's all abou training and tactics
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"We didn't. We just pretended to."
Indirection. Don't do anything to piss off the SU. Don't use your influence outside your borders.
Austria, by necessity and now choice, is a neutered state. It's no coincidence that the Americans on Poly have busted your balls in the past for never advocating action. It fits in quite nicely with the situation described in the article.
As the EU grows, it will continue to take in these small, neutered states. That is, except perhaps Turkey.
"Che, You are really trying to say that Iraq had a strong defense? We used them as examples how NOT to do things on many occations."
Pekka: Wouldn't you agree that the reason why you can say all of these things is because the U.S. demonstrated the weakness of their system?I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Grrr ...Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Well, if we attack France, we'll have Britain's support.
Not a surprise !
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"Indirection."
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"Don't do anything to piss off the SU."
That was more Finland.
"Austria, by necessity and now choice, is a neutered state."
You think we're still neutral ?
"It's no coincidence that the Americans on Poly have busted your balls in the past for never advocating action."
You're just a but too triggerhappy for your own good.Comment
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'Americans are “cowboys,†Europeans love to say. And there is truth in this. The United States does act as an international sheriff, self-appointed perhaps but widely welcomed nevertheless, trying to enforce some peace and justice in what Americans see as a lawless world where outlaws need to be deterred or destroyed, and often through the muzzle of a gun. Europe, by this old West analogy, is more like a saloonkeeper. Outlaws shoot sheriffs, not saloonkeepers. In fact, from the saloonkeeper’s point of view, the sheriff trying to impose order by force can sometimes be more threatening than the outlaws who, at least for the time being, may just want a drink.'I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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"It's no coincidence that the Americans on Poly have busted [Rolands] balls in the past for never advocating action."
Even if this is directed at Roland I have to comment. What is this habit of identifying people with their countries policy? Of cource Roland might share it, that's up to him. However, it's in my eyes very strange to do so.
A clear example was Chris62's thread last week that called europeans for hypocrits after their goverments did something these people had talked out against (I myself was called a hypocrite without saying anything). This even when the people in question couldn't know what would happen in the field.
People are not after all a product of their homelands foreign policy. There's obviously much diversion even if there might be tendencies towards certain viewpoints.Comment
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"The United States does act as an international sheriff, self-appointed perhaps but widely welcomed nevertheless, trying to enforce some peace and justice"
Fantasy world stuff.Comment
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Krop: Dan's comment was based on Roland's own posts, not on any particular action by Austria.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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This discussions looks like kids speaking about how great, strong and intelligent are their fathers.Zobo Ze Warrior
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"People are not after all a product of their homelands foreign policy. There's obviously much diversion even if there might be tendencies towards certain viewpoints."
With Roland and the Americans opposite (GP, etc.) it fits. We've been round and round about stuff like this, especially post-9/11. Countless threads.
It's not an insult to Roland. While I believe his aversion to use of force is a little odd, I'm sure he would return the sentiment.
Roland: It's an analogy.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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