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  • Your enemies friends enemy is your friend (so to speak). As the establishment supports or supported the state of Israel in one way or the other the Pals just has to be decent people.

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    • Islamism isn't a modern phenomenon, GePap.
      I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
      For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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      • "Lefties tend to see imperialism as the greater evil. Whether or not that's true is another argument."

        but that logic is flawed . What's next ? joining forces with Neo-Nazis against moderates?
        urgh.NSFW

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        • I predict that DinoDoc will get a long lesson.

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          • why? It IS the truth .
            urgh.NSFW

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            • Maybe, maybe not. However, it was the only thing that I could confidently say was in error.
              I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
              For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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              • go trust DinoDoc to give a decent explanation , while you're sleepy.
                urgh.NSFW

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                • the US has taken delivery of about 18,000 JDAMs of various sizes and have dropped about 6,000 in Afghanistan
                  Alright, but in your earlier scenario you are now short of planes. If 100 bombers could only deliver 21000 bombs (again making the assumption that each bomber is making one flight a day) then that is a terribly low number relative to Afghanistan.

                  I also note that the JDAMs use the GPS. If I was in charge of China, the first thing I'd would be to launch a rocket filled with metal fragments to destroy all orbiting satellites.

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                  • We still have shorter range bombers that could be used on closer range targets. We only need the long range bombers for Western China . . . if we have no fly-over rights. Otherwise we've got bombers up the wazu.
                    Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                    • Originally posted by Dalgetti
                      but that logic is flawed . What's next ? joining forces with Neo-Nazis against moderates?
                      It's a fair question, and I don't have a a fair defense, since I'm not sure I agree with it. I actually think that in certain cases, imperialism may be more progressive than its targets. Certainly in the case of the Taleban and bin Laden, I think that has to be the case.

                      edit: I would also put Islamic Jihad and Hamas in the later catagory, though not Fatah. Arafat is a fool trying to court the reactionaries. Even if he wins independence, they will try and get him. He's a secularist, even if he's cynically trying to play to recationary Islamist feelings. They will do to him what bin Laden did ti us and what Hamas did previous to the Israelis.
                      Last edited by chequita guevara; June 23, 2002, 17:15.
                      Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                      • urgh.NSFW

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                        • I think it's a legitimate reading from Marxism, since capitalism and capitalist imperialism are more porgressive the feudalism and clericalism. These pepole are trying to turn history back. We want history to go forward.
                          Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                          • EXACTLY.
                            urgh.NSFW

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                            • Originally posted by DinoDoc
                              Islamism isn't a modern phenomenon, GePap.
                              Fine, all religions ave fundamentalist streaks, but the type we see at work with Osama is not the same as that of the Assasins or past fundamentalists, any more thn Jerry Falwell is Torquemada. These groups were born in the 70's and 80's. Tht makes them moden to me.
                              If you don't like reality, change it! me
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                              • yes, but Islam is the only massive state sponsored religion. Islam is the religion that expands . In Islamic countries , unlike in christian countries , people are far more believing and religious, and therefore mislead.
                                urgh.NSFW

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