The differences between America and Europe

[Kropotkin]

Your enemies friends enemy is your friend (so to speak). As the establishment supports or supported the state of Israel in one way or the other the Pals just has to be decent people.

[DinoDoc]

Islamism isn't a modern phenomenon, GePap.

[Az]

"Lefties tend to see imperialism as the greater evil. Whether or not that's true is another argument."

but that logic is flawed . What's next ? joining forces with Neo-Nazis against moderates?

[Kropotkin]

I predict that DinoDoc will get a long lesson.

[Az]

why? It IS the truth .

[DinoDoc]

Maybe, maybe not. However, it was the only thing that I could confidently say was in error.

[Az]

go trust DinoDoc to give a decent explanation , while you're sleepy.

[Sandman]

the US has taken delivery of about 18,000 JDAMs of various sizes and have dropped about 6,000 in Afghanistan

Alright, but in your earlier scenario you are now short of planes. If 100 bombers could only deliver 21000 bombs (again making the assumption that each bomber is making one flight a day) then that is a terribly low number relative to Afghanistan.

I also note that the JDAMs use the GPS. If I was in charge of China, the first thing I'd would be to launch a rocket filled with metal fragments to destroy all orbiting satellites.

[chequita guevara]

We still have shorter range bombers that could be used on closer range targets. We only need the long range bombers for Western China . . . if we have no fly-over rights. Otherwise we've got bombers up the wazu.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Dalgetti
but that logic is flawed . What's next ? joining forces with Neo-Nazis against moderates?

It's a fair question, and I don't have a a fair defense, since I'm not sure I agree with it. I actually think that in certain cases, imperialism may be more progressive than its targets. Certainly in the case of the Taleban and bin Laden, I think that has to be the case.

edit: I would also put Islamic Jihad and Hamas in the later catagory, though not Fatah. Arafat is a fool trying to court the reactionaries. Even if he wins independence, they will try and get him. He's a secularist, even if he's cynically trying to play to recationary Islamist feelings. They will do to him what bin Laden did ti us and what Hamas did previous to the Israelis.

[Az]

[chequita guevara]

I think it's a legitimate reading from Marxism, since capitalism and capitalist imperialism are more porgressive the feudalism and clericalism. These pepole are trying to turn history back. We want history to go forward.

[Az]

EXACTLY.

[GePap]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Islamism isn't a modern phenomenon, GePap.

Fine, all religions ave fundamentalist streaks, but the type we see at work with Osama is not the same as that of the Assasins or past fundamentalists, any more thn Jerry Falwell is Torquemada. These groups were born in the 70's and 80's. Tht makes them moden to me.

[Az]

yes, but Islam is the only massive state sponsored religion. Islam is the religion that expands . In Islamic countries , unlike in christian countries , people are far more believing and religious, and therefore mislead.