The differences between America and Europe

[Pekka]

What what stupid about my argument? Yeah sure you can kill millions easily, anyone can do that, just let the fighters go and carpetbomb. Even easier, just launch full nuclear attack.

DanS, Yeah sure. I think i can agree with most of that. There should be a real fight against a good defender (which Iraq has to be excluded) and a good air force. Before that it's maybe just guessing.

[Saint Marcus]

Saint Marcus also doesn't know jack

And you are a fountain of wisdom

the sole difference between you an me is that I know I'm talking ****, whereas you're still in denial.


Rather sad how some people see the USA as this big megabeast, capable of destroying half the world with conventional weapons without much difficulty or setbacks. Rather stupid too.

[DanS]

Heaven help us should we come to know whether we were right or wrong, even though we have to make sure that we are right. With these kinds of weapons, Stalin math looks almost parochial.

[Az]

hey Marcus, can I quote you on that one ?

what's wrong with my arguement? don't you think that American Daizy cutters would cause some heavy damage to Canton , Shanghai , Beijing? I know that there are many Chinese cities, but there are also lots of american bombers.

[Pekka]

Yes... Stalin also thought if he send million men in our tiny country, they'd run it over in a matter of days. And thousand fighters would bomb the hell out of it. He was wrong. Even with superior weaponry. It's just not that simple .

edit: dalgetti, you sound like Stalin .

[Ned]

Originally posted by Roland
"- the increasing independence of Europe (although they like to say it is the US that ignores them);"

Some may say that. For my taste, you can't ignore us enough as long as you don't get in our way.

"- the weakness of Europe to handle affairs even in Europe"

Then get out of europe and don't try blocking our integration.

"- the unwillingness to help the US defend itself"

You can have any help in defending yourself. But we don't feel like having people killed for dubya's reelection.

Roland, we simply can't be acting at cross purposes can we? If the United States is under threat of nuclear attack from Iraq, Europe should not be selling the materials needed to make nuclear weapons to Iraq. Our security interests are really intertwined.

With respect to United States interfering with Europe's internal affairs, where is coming from?

Finally, I would wholly agree that not one European should lose his life simply to advance the reelection of a US President. However, if there is a consensus view of both US parties on a course of action and the need European support, I hope you will be there for us.

BTW, Europe was there for us in the Gulf War even though the Democrat party was 100% opposed to the war. European support was well appreciated.

[Ned]

Saint Marcus, why are you so anti-American?

[Az]

pekka : he didn't have daizy cutters.

[Ned]

On the China question, we had enough of the Chinese in the Korean War. We don't want to second helping -- ever!

However push came to shove, would probably fight a war in China much the way Cortes fought the Aztecs or we recently fought the Taliban. We would ally with enemies of the central government while providing command and control, and logistical support. We will find allies who would be willing to join our cause because our objective would not be to conquer China, but the liberate it.

[Pekka]

dalgetti, and you say i have stupid arguments?
If you can't see the points, then you are not answering the real questions. Well.. if that wasn't irony of course.

[Az]

hey , where did you see arguments? I'll edit them out , as soon as possible.

[Panag]

Originally posted by Dalgetti
hey Marcus, can I quote you on that one ?

what's wrong with my arguement? don't you think that American Daizy cutters would cause some heavy damage to Canton , Shanghai , Beijing? I know that there are many Chinese cities, but there are also lots of american bombers.

hi ,

an advanced fuel air device shall do more damage , ....

the US would win such a war , aldo , it would have to be "free" , no second front , ...

and it would need at least 3-4 carriers extra , then it would need about 8-10 type 741 subs extra , ....

, lets see , ah , find a trade partner for the same amount and at the same price , of loads of goods ,...

oh yeah ; public support , ..... that shall be a key point , ...

, everything there , ....

allas , maybe we might see the use of theater nuke's , ....that shall be fun , ....

have a nice day


panag > orders 25 cases of banana's , just in case , retreats to the bunker , ....just in case (!)

[Saint Marcus]

hey Marcus, can I quote you on that one ?

Sure I'm not deluded enough to actually believe the crap I post.

Saint Marcus, why are you so anti-American?

cause it suits me.

I'm a real playa hater.


and it's hilarious to see people react to crap I post.

[Ned]

Yeah, it always seemed to me, Saint Marcus, that your own brand of anti-Americanism was really good natured. There are some here, though, that are very serious about it.

[Az]

His brand is called trolling, Ned.