The differences between America and Europe

[Saint Marcus]

haha. thanks

don't know if it is good natured though. Just awfully annyoning.

anyway, who is really serious about it? Serious and overly bigotted? I can think of nobody really. Some are serious, and moderate. Others are bigotted, but not very serious.

[Saint Marcus]

His brand is called trolling, Ned.

yup

[Ned]

Back on topic for moment, couldn't part of problem in Europe be that they do not have a single command structure supported by all European countries "evenly?" No single European country can hope to match Russia, United States, China or India in power. As a result, the Europeans have an economic incentive to reduce military spending as much as possible, and rely instead upon the United States to take care of the "big picture."

This could and probably would change if the Europeans had a single Armed Forces.

[Pekka]

Ned, I actually agree with you 200%. IMO that is excatly the problem and nothing else to it. To establish such command is tough though, and i have to be pessimist about it, i think it would take decades to make it really work and get the best out of it. Sadly enough, i think it'll take at least 50 years to work, maybe more, not less.

[Saint Marcus]

integration is essential, and will happen over time. though it's not a priority yet.

[Roland]

Dan:

"While I believe his aversion to use of force is a little odd, I'm sure he would return the sentiment."

I'm against wag the dog wars. For a list of use of force:

- Iraq 1990/91 - yes
- Bosnia - yes
- Kosovo - undecided
- Afghanistan - yes
- Iraq now - opposed

Wonder where you see a general aversion to use of force there.

Ned:

"Roland, we simply can't be acting at cross purposes can we?"

The US government behaves like it wouldn't matter to them. Why not try finding out ? Btw, the same cross purposes exist wrt Israel-Palestine. Dubya's last speech was useless at best, and we have no interest in a major ****-up there.

"With respect to United States interfering with Europe's internal affairs, where is coming from?"

European Monetary Union, EU military integration. The US has and is trying to undermine it. problem is they have to do it silently and success is limited.

"However, if there is a consensus view of both US parties on a course of action and the need European support, I hope you will be there for us."

If there is a consensus to happily walk into Iraq right now, than it is a consensus of dangerous lunatics. No thanx.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Roland
I'm against wag the dog wars. For a list of use of force:

- Iraq 1990/91 - yes
- Bosnia - yes
- Kosovo - undecided
- Afghanistan - yes
- Iraq now - opposed

What are your reasons for supporting or being opposed to those actions?

[Kropotkin]

Originally posted by Dalgetti
Kropo : they're just a sect. "muslim feminists"...

How should you know, You shot 'em all at sight in good jewish style.

[Roland]

"What are your reasons for supporting or being opposed to those actions?"

Weighing risks and benefits. With the current instability in the ME it is nuts to mess it all up with a war against Iraq, especially after Bush engaged in another round of heavy Sharon ass-kissing. Maybe he just misread his instructions of "ass-kicking" ?

[Kropotkin]

And isn't moving more troops into a Saudi-arabia with a large anti-american population just asking for terrorism? I presume that's the place the should go to for a war against Iraq.

[Az]

nice trolling , Kropo. . I guess americans deserved that the WTC attacks.

[Roland]

Dalgetti, there is a difference between causation and any moral verdict like guilt or "deserved".

[Roland]

Apart from your avatar. That one's guilty of bad taste without further ado.

[notyoueither]

America will win the conflict with radical Islam through strength. Agressors respect nothing else.

P_ussy-footing around active supporters of terrorism will get you nothing but ten-fold increases in terrorism. Smacking them down, hard is the only solution.

Show muslims sympathetic to the lunatics that the path they are on leads only to misery and suffering for their own families. They will cease to support the fanatics.

Remove all illusions of any possible victory. Then what would be the point?

[Kropotkin]

Dal.: No it was not a troll. It was a short and simple way of pointing out that the US isn't popular in Saudi-arabia and it might not be to easy to start a ground war against Iraq this time around. As you might have noticed Osama Bin Ladin is saudian...

It hasn't to do with morals at all.