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**Panag** · June 19, 2002, 18:51

Originally posted by Eli
So you were there on miluim?

hi ,

, no comment would be nice , ....

infiltration ; tel from Hevron , ...

camps , well , been there done that , for many years ,
why , well , one for pesonal reason's , two , its getting one bigger , on a personal level , you start to learn , see things with your own eyes , interact in a kind of way , .... after a while you start to think like them , feel like them , become one with them , even for a short time , this really is a live experience .

have a nice day

**DinoDoc** · June 19, 2002, 18:53

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Dino: So you do think it is moral (your silence is illuminating).

What silence? I gave you my full answer the first time you asked. Ask a specific question and you'll get a more specific question.

Strategic bombing during WWII was wrong and served no military purpose.

By why do people that, say, back Irgun and Hagannah's methods cry against Hamas' methods?

I don't back the methods of Irgun.

OK, I'm starting to get an idea of your views. Now to let me get them fully pinned down, would you back CyberGnu's view that the Palestinians would be more than justified to kill every Israeli man, woman, and child if they were able to in order to achieve thier goal of "liberation"?

**Eli** · June 19, 2002, 18:56

Originally posted by panag
camps , well , been there done that , for many years ,
why , well , one for pesonal reason's , two , its getting one bigger , on a personal level , you start to learn , see things with your own eyes , interact in a kind of way , .... after a while you start to think like them , feel like them , become one with them , even for a short time , this really is a live experience .

I had enough for today. I got an headache because of you.
Do me a favor, next time you visit those camps, ask Ahmed to teach you how to write coherently. Tell him I sent you.

**Imran Siddiqui** · June 19, 2002, 18:56

MORALLY DO YOU THINK IT IS WRONG? You have evaded this question. You just said it was wrong, it could have been wrong tactically. Fine, your evading is noticed.

As for CyberGnu's position, yes. Just like I think blacks would have been justified to kill every white American to get civil rights and equality under the law denied to them under slavery and Jim Crow.

**Eli** · June 19, 2002, 18:59

Imran, is it morally right to fight back? Even if you're wrong?

**Panag** · June 19, 2002, 18:59

Originally posted by Eli

I had enough for today. I got an headache because of you.
Do me a favor, next time you visit those camps, ask Ahmed to teach you how to write coherently. Tell him I sent you.

hi ,

relax , its only 0200 , stay the night , .....

, ....

allas , have a nice night

**Panag** · June 19, 2002, 19:01

Originally posted by Eli
Imran, is it morally right to fight back? Even if you're wrong?

hi ,

no , except under some circumstances of self defense , and even so , injury before kill , ...

have a nice day

**DinoDoc** · June 19, 2002, 19:01

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
You just said it was wrong, it could have been wrong tactically.

If I had meant to say tactically, I would have said so.

BTW, define what someone who believes in subjective morality means by "morally wrong" and I'll give you an answer.

**Imran Siddiqui** · June 19, 2002, 19:03

Imran, is it morally right to fight back? Even if you're wrong?

Who says who is wrong?

If I had meant to say tactically, I would have said so.

It was vague, therefore deceptive

.

BTW, define what someone who believes in subjective morality means by "morally wrong" and I'll give you an answer.

Morally wrong to you, and your beliefs.

**Sirotnikov** · June 19, 2002, 19:20

Irgun, Hagganah,

Name an incident in which Irgun or Stern Gang or Hagganah targetted civilians.

**Imran Siddiqui** · June 19, 2002, 19:23

King David Hotel... they went for British soldiers but knew that civilians would be there as well. That's targetting civilians to me.

Also right after Israel was created, the masscre of Palestinian people in towns.

**Eli** · June 19, 2002, 19:24

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Who says who is wrong?

You, apparently.

You see, that's the whole problem.
People from Kahane's movement say this. That we have the right to kill every Palestinian because we are the morally right side.
The Hamas guys say the same.

And since neither of them is going to convince the other, lots of innocents will die because every side is the "right" one.

**Panag** · June 19, 2002, 19:25

Originally posted by Sirotnikov

Irgun, Hagganah,

Name an incident in which Irgun or Stern Gang or Hagganah targetted civilians.

hi ,

, hey that is unfair , that is impossible , .....

BTW , where can the rufugees vote in the middl east , its a given fact that woman can not vote as far as India , Cyprus and Greece in the other direction , ...

have a nice day

**Panag** · June 19, 2002, 19:27

Originally posted by Eli

You, apparently.

You see, that's the whole problem.
People from Kahane's movement say this. That we have the right to kill every Palestinian because we are the morally right side.
The Hamas guys say the same.

And since neither of them is going to convince the other, lots of innocents will die because every side is the "right" one.

hi ,

even when Kahane's name is on the table , how many terror acts they did , 2 , .... the sick irony , his family got hit twice , ....

have a nice day

**Imran Siddiqui** · June 19, 2002, 19:27

You see, that's the whole problem.

Blame the concept of morality them

. All morals are subjective.

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