Wherein do the roots of Anit-semiticsm lie?

[Adalbertus]

Che, that would actually made sense, because, in the bible , Joseph is a Viceroy ( of sorts ) , and It is later told that the government has changed , and the next pharoh didn't like the Hebrews. I'd say that the farther back we go in the bible, the less true are the stories. The exodus is in that "grain of truth area". One thing I am not sure of. I thought that the philistines are part of the hyksos?!

I'm not the ultimate expert of ancient history (and most of the experts have an extremely narrow view on their own subject, which is equally helpful). But there is an interesting point of Egyptian history which might coincide in some way with the reports of the Bible: One of the Pharaohs, Echnaton, ascending to the throne in 1364BC as Amenophis IV., abandoned the old Egyptian religion in favour of a monotheistic (sun?) religion - thus more similar to the Jewish faith. On the other hand, Abraham is dated to around 1800BC, so Joseph is 50-100 years later. (I don't have a Bible at hand - does anybody know if it mentions Hammurabi who lived around 1700BC?) But maybe the monotheistic Jews fell into disgrace together with the Aton cult?
The time when the exodus took place was reconstructed by some historians as a sort of "world war" in which almost every nation between Greece, Egypt and Mesopotamia was involved. (Again, I haven't read too largely about it.) The Trojan war was only a part of it. Another part was the exodus. Egypt mainly opposed the Hethites (which wasn't directly mentioned in the Bible). Egypt had built up a large military industry - of which archeological proofs were found - and many peoples, certainly not only Jews - were forced to work for it under hard conditions. Reading the Bible, the Hethites look just like a minor tribe in the Sinai, but they definitely weren't. Anyway, Moses married a daughter of a Hethite leader. From this I would conclude that the Jews changed side.

Of course, the reports about Egypt still may be fiction - but if so, a well made one.

Btw. The Egyptian period of the Hyskos is 1786-1567BC (if I can believe the internet page where I found it ...)

The Phoenicians gave us the alphabet (hence the word phonetics, etc). But they were originally Greek refugees.

The letters of the alphabet stem from hieroglyphs. So the story that it were the Jews changed the code for syllabes into a code for letters and taught it to the Phoenicians who taught it to Carthage, Greece an Rome isn't too far off. - I think in some latin version of the Bible the Philistines were called 'Creti et Pleti'. So coming (also) from Crete.

[Heresson]

This chegitz's version of history recalls me biological theories
of Lysenko...

[chequita guevara]

Yeah, well we all know your version of history is cracked, so your opinion means very little.

[Az]

how about this link?

http://www.bahrain.gov.bh/english/bahrain/Books/ages1/Chapter3.asp

[chequita guevara]

Suddenly you believe Arab historians?

[Heresson]

It's not "my version" of history that is cracked, it's history that is cracked. I have no my own version of history anyway.
You have.

[chequita guevara]

Just saying what I learned in high school, college, and what it says in my history books here.

[Heresson]

Now I know where You got your interesting vision of history,
You and other Israelis.

[Az]

Che: well, that's the only decent looking thing I found. Found no evidence to the contrary as well.

[Az]

Heresson : what are you talking about?!

[Az]

, Moses married a daughter of a Hethite leader.

Now I am certain ( I know the bible fairly well ) that Moses married the daughter of a cheiftain of a tribe of Midyanim. They were a desert semi-nomadic tribe. Hethites are recalled many times in the bible and have a name of their own.

[Heresson]

We discussed it a long time ago, that isn't a proper place.

[Az]

alrighty.

[Heresson]

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Interestingly, there is one European country that has no history of anti-Semitism, Ireland. Because the Irish and the Jews were both oppressed by the English, the Irish got along well with the Jews.

Backtracking a bit, but that's a little removed from reality.

http://www.jewishsf.com/bk980605/sfalife.htm

From another site...

Anti-Semitism
In the later 19th to the mid 20th anti-Semitism was deeply ingrained in European culture to an extent that it is hard for us, in Western Europe, to comprehend today. The prejudice against Jews in their native countries could be likened to the attitudes many Irish people still have towards Travellers.

The first recorded outbreak of racism in Ireland in this period was a poster campaign with anti-Jewish slogans in Dublin in 1886. There were anti-Jewish letters to the papers at this time too. In April 1884 a Jewish home was surrounded in Limerick and it's occupants attacked. A similar incident took place in 1896. Jews were physically attacked in Limerick in1892 and Cork in 1894.

The Limerick Pogrom
The Limerick Pogrom of 1904 is still remembered as it was the only example of organised, widespread and sustained anti-Semitism. At the time there were only 171 Jews in Limerick, about 25 families. The boycott of the Jews of Limerick at this time was instigated by a popular priest from the Redeptorist order namded Fr Creagh but it was not approved of by the mainstream Catholic church. Creagh merely repeated anti-Semitic views common throughout Europe:

Jewish money-lending; 'historical' murder of Christian children; Jews living in luxury off the backs of the poor; Jews as anti-Catholic and in league with the Freemasons, etc. He urged the people to boycott all Jewish shops, which led to economic ruin for these traders. Jews were physically attacked in the streets. There has always been a suspicon that Creagh was put up to it by local businessmen who were losing custom to Jewish owned shops. Local trade unions passed motions of support for Creagh. The Limerick Leader newspaper also backed Creagh; an editorial stated "Ireland is, at present, being drained of its Gaelic population by emigration, and Jewish colonists are trooping in to fill up the places of emigrants, and to turn Ireland into a filthy Ghetto".

The importance of the Limerick events is that they show the danger of prejudice being converted into active hostility by a popular and charismatic figure in a positon of authority.

Just goes to show that even the repression of perfidious Albion can still fail to turn a nation into fearless opponents of anti-semitism.