Wherein do the roots of Anit-semiticsm lie?

[Ned]

Yaroslav, That was a very interesting chart. It helps explain the Jewish revolt in 117 in North Africa. The Jews took Alexandria and went on a killing rampage. Trajan (Hadrian) had to recall the army from the ME in order to deal with the revolt. I half recall some history that the Jews of Babylon (Bagdad?) had financed the rebellion in order to force Roman withdrawal. However, it appears with such violent anti-Semitism then existing in Alexandria, the revolts could have occurred spontaneously.

[yaroslav]

Yes, Ned. Jew in Persian empire have power and influence - not free, but as result of a hard work on trade and other affairs. Jews of Babylon always support the revolts of roman empire's jews in order to recover their country (Israel) or in order to stop roman attacks on Babylon

The revolt of Alexandria is only a part of a jewish revolt under Trajan and later, Hadrian: the Bar Kocheba (Son of the start) revolt.

You can find some info there, although I don't read it extensively, so I don't know how acurrate it is:

http://www.jewish-history.com/Palestine/period1.html

[Sikander]

I have to say that Che's association of the Phillistines with the Phoenicians is one I haven't heard before. The Phoenicians are a Semitic people closely related to both the Hebrews and the Canaanites. The Phillistines were an Indo-European people with very different customs and language. For instance, one common element of Canaanite, Hebrew and Phoenician culture was sacrificing your dearest child to the gods in time of trouble. This comes through in the Bible where Isaac is almost killed by Abraham (who seems to be pretty ready to roll, which makes sense only in a culture where this sort of thing was acceptable). There are plenty to references of this practice in the historical record of Carthage, and archeologists found a bronze statue in the shape of a god where these sacrifices took place. Apparantly the statue was heated until red hot and the infant was placed into the statue's outstretched hands. When the tiny body was shriveled it dropped into the fire below.

Side note: IIRC Carthage was founded by the neice of Jezabel of biblical fame.

[Heresson]

Jews supported Persians against Romans and weren't liked
for that. They also weren't quite nice to Christians even when they were in minority. One of Antiochian patriarchs was burned alive by Jews during their revolt. After Chosroes Parwiz' agression, Jews gave the outburst of their hate against Romans and Christians, slaughtering them, destroying churches and helping Persian armies. Emperor Heracleus got to know about it from a Jew in Tyberias and issued a plea to the western monarchies to baptise all the Jews by force. I believe that it was first example of such attitude.
Slaughter in Nagran by Jewish ruler of Yemen as well as his other deeds were quite reknown.
My point is that Jews hated Christians as much as Christians
hated them. Jews just didn't have as many chances to prove that. But when they had - they were doing that.

[Zoid]

Originally posted by Azazel
ok, Let's end it once , and for all. WTF is Cbeast?

The 100th post in a thread, it keeps the lamebrains at CG occupied...

http://www.counterglow.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5201

http://www.counterglow.net/forum/sho...&threadid=6550

[Lars-E]

Lars-E, don't take your history directly from the Bible. The Hebrews are beliwed to have invaded Egypt along with the Hyksos. When Egypt finally overthrew its former masters, its former masters became the slaves.

What's your point? In relevance to the roots of anti-semitism?

Furthermore, the Philistines were decendents of the original Attic Greeks who were chased out of Greece by the Doric Greeks (except around Athens).

From Crete.

I thought about mentioning this as an interesting sidenote in my first post, but decided it had no relevance.

Che, that would actually made sense, because, in the bible , Joseph is a Viceroy ( of sorts ) , and It is later told that the government has changed , and the next pharoh didn't like the Hebrews. I'd say that the farther back we go in the bible, the less true are the stories. The exodus is in that "grain of truth area".

The other sources mentioned in here is taken as truth for some reason..

Much of the OT has been confirmed by archeology.

Now I am certain ( I know the bible fairly well ) that Moses married the daughter of a cheiftain of a tribe of Midyanim. They were a desert semi-nomadic tribe. Hethites are recalled many times in the bible and have a name of their own.

Moses married Zipporah, the daughter of Reul, priest in Midian. She was dark or black.

I thought current archeological thought was that the Hebrews never migrated en masse into Egypt in the first place; rather there was a small number of Hebrews leaving Egypt which formed the basis of Exodus (since there were no Egyptian border records documenting this, or any other form of documentation on the Egyptian side of the story).

Current liberal thought?