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  • #91
    Originally posted by Guynemer
    What exactly is fingerprinting foreigners as they come into the US supposed to accomplish, anyway?
    Enable background checks into criminal records from their home country, among other things. Why do you think I was fingerprinted numbskull?
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    • #92
      Not that I agree with Cali, but why would that be so?


      Because a lot of money (tourism and work) comes through those area. Fingerprinting everyone that comes through would make the border crossing come to a standstill (instead of the 5 minutes it takes to go to Canada, etc.). Many people just won't bother coming over anymore.
      “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
      - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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      • #93
        Enable background checks into criminal records from their home country, among other things. Why do you think I was fingerprinted numbskull?


        Um... so what do you think they do when they grant a visa? Pick out of a hat?
        “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
        - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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        • #94
          Originally posted by Caligastia


          Enable background checks into criminal records from their home country, among other things. Why do you think I was fingerprinted numbskull?
          hi ,

          and what if the "homecountry" is helping them , ........the criminal and terrorist that is , .........

          have a nice day
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          • #95
            Originally posted by DinoDoc
            IIRC, its a way to establish the identity of that person.
            So anytime Joe Smith from Windsor, Ontario, decides to go to a Tigers game or something (which, granted, is suspicious in and of itself), he'll have to wait for hours at the border, while a computer searches a database of Canadian fingerprints? (Those sorts of things do take hours, on a good day.)
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            • #96
              Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
              Um... so what do you think they do when they grant a visa? Pick out of a hat?
              Given the state of the INS, that's probably what they do.
              I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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              • #97
                Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                Enable background checks into criminal records from their home country, among other things. Why do you think I was fingerprinted numbskull?


                Um... so what do you think they do when they grant a visa? Pick out of a hat?
                hi ,

                that is what is going on nowadays , replace hat with bin from quota , ....;

                have a nice day
                - RES NON VERBA - DE OPRESSO LIBER - VERITAS ET LIBERTAS - O TOLMON NIKA - SINE PARI - VIGLIA PRETIUM LIBERTAS - SI VIS PACEM , PARA BELLUM -
                - LEGIO PATRIA NOSTRA - one shot , one kill - freedom exists only in a book - everything you always wanted to know about special forces - everything you always wanted to know about Israel - what Dabur does in his free time , ... - in french - “Become an anti-Semitic teacher for 5 Euro only.”
                WHY DOES ISRAEL NEED A SECURITY FENCE --- join in an exceptional demo game > join here forum is now open ! - the new civ Conquest screenshots > go see them UPDATED 07.11.2003 ISRAEL > crisis or challenge ?

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                • #98
                  To say nothing of the thousands of Canadians who cross the border every day to work in the Detroit area... nurses in particular. You want to fingerprint 'em every time they come over the Ambassador Bridge? Makes sense, I suppose... everyone knows that there's no one more dangerous to a free society than a Canadian nurse...
                  "My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
                  "The subject of onanism is inexhaustable." --Sigmund Freud

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                  • #99
                    Bah. Its all too little too late anyway.
                    ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
                    ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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                    • Guy, you better watch those Canadians... Asher might sneak through .
                      “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                      - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                      • aren't most visitor to the U.S. criminals?

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                        • Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                          Guy, you better watch those Canadians... Asher might sneak through .
                          From Alberta? He wouldn't come through Michigan, he'd come through Montana... and he'd fit right in there.
                          "My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
                          "The subject of onanism is inexhaustable." --Sigmund Freud

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                          • I would think, Guy, that someone who works in the US like those Canadian nurses you mention could be issued some sort of pass (after they are checked out and cleared the first time around). Then again, that would require common sense, and we're talking about the INS, so maybe not.

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                            • Originally posted by Chris 62
                              Many of you miss the essential point.

                              Laws must be applied equally to all, or they mean nothing.

                              ALL foriegn nationals should be fingerprinted, or none at all.
                              Chris 62, The equal protection clause applies to citizens, but does it applies to visiting aliens as a condition for entry? What if there is a valid reason for the unequal treatment and a compelling governmental need?

                              We haven't gone this far yet, but I can see a wholesale ban on visa's for aliens from selected countries being constitutional.
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                              • Originally posted by Guynemer
                                To say nothing of the thousands of Canadians who cross the border every day
                                An American court was told Tuesday how easily accused millennium bomber Ahmed Ressam obtained a false Canadian passport before heading to the United States in a car packed with explosives

                                I wouldn't automatically assume that an unguarded 45,000 mile border is entirely without its problems.
                                I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                                For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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