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Surely they can, but much less likely with the US because it is such a democracy. 
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However, China occuppied E. Turkestan in 1949. That is not 100 years ago.Originally posted by notyoueither
The UN doesn't say much about events 100 years before it's time.
I raise this issue to show there is no one uniform way of treating these "events" by the UN. China occupies E. Turkestan and Tibet. We don't get a peep out of the UN. Pakistan occupies a third of Jammu and Kashmir. It's occupation is treated as "liberation." Israel occupies territories captured during the Six Day War. It's occupation is far less brutal than China's, but Israel alone is on the UN sh*t list.
We also have older occupations that should be dealt with as well - the Turk, Iraqi, Iranian occupation of Kurdistan.http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=enComment
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And, might I add, there is a problem in Spain with the Basques.http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=enComment
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Justed watch the BBC news, and they had people in Karachi and Bombay saying that they would love to sacrifice their lives for their respective countries. I hate irrational people...Comment
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However, China occuppied E. Turkestan in 1949. That is not 100 years ago
How much do you know of history? Because it seems you really don't know too much. 1949... can you think of what happened then? Oh yeah, Mao took over mainland China. And Chang Kai-Shek went where, oh yeah, Taiwan. And which one was recognized as the 'true' China? Good.
It would be hard for the UN to condemn a state it doesn't even acknowledge exists (due to US pressure).
Pakistan occupies a third of Jammu and Kashmir. It's occupation is treated as "liberation."
Seeing as most of the population would rather be with Pakistan than India (though they would much rather be independant), I think you can call them liberators.
We also have older occupations that should be dealt with as well - the Turk, Iraqi, Iranian occupation of Kurdistan.
You know, since you use this argument so much in the ME debates, I'm going to use it against you: There WAS no state of Kurdistan.
“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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Re-occupied. Turkestan was part of the the Chinese Empire up to the 1919 revolution, when China fractured into feuding warlord statelets. Both Tibet and Turkestan were formed out of this mess. My understanding is that they were still considered to be part of China, even though China didn't have a national government. It was only after the Communists took power that the West decided that they were "independent."Originally posted by Ned
However, China occuppied E. Turkestan in 1949. That is not 100 years ago.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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China is within its rights to reclaim all it's former territories.
*eagerly awaits the invasion and subjugation of Vietnam and Korea.*Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
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China recognized their leaving Chinese suzereignty.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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China did. I didn't. It's all about me, you see?
*Starved for attention*Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
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If you're starved for attention, why have you been hiding these past few months?Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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Why do you think I'm now attention starved?
Besides, I haven't been hiding. Just....removing myself from view.
And it's hard to post when you're lying on your bed, drunk, in a Montreal hotel room.Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
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Che, Are you suggesting we look the other way at times? Or are you suggesting that the people of E. Turkestan have no rights.Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Re-occupied. Turkestan was part of the the Chinese Empire up to the 1919 revolution, when China fractured into feuding warlord statelets. Both Tibet and Turkestan were formed out of this mess. My understanding is that they were still considered to be part of China, even though China didn't have a national government. It was only after the Communists took power that the West decided that they were "independent."http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=enComment
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Unless you say that the South (as in US) should have gone free in 1860, you don't have a leg to stand on in critiquing China taking back E. Turkestan.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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As an America, I am entitled to have a double standard, right?Last edited by Ned; June 2, 2002, 18:54.http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=enComment
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