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**Imran Siddiqui** · May 31, 2002, 17:31

I agree with Tom. Without nukes, India would have invaded already. It is nukes that is the only thing that is stopping them.

Az · May 31, 2002, 17:34

yes, could be, but probably not on the "international border". more of a push with their mountain Infantry divisions in the region of Kashmir, me thinks.

**Tom201** · May 31, 2002, 17:35

Well, you could imagine it would work like Israel/Palestina, with India staying in kashmir after their search for Terrorists. You dont really believe they would leave, considering they have their border fights for years about this region?
Than the majority of the ppl. in kashmir prefers to be with pakistan (well, 2. choice after independence) rather than India. And it is certainly not in the best interest of pakistan.

**Eli** · May 31, 2002, 17:36

Without nukes, the Pakistani terror attacks would've been much worse. Thanks to the nukes the Pakistanis must restrain themselves.

Az · May 31, 2002, 17:43

actually , Tom,. latest polls are not so clear. There was this poll today, even....don't remember the results.

**Tom201** · May 31, 2002, 17:52

Hm, ok.
But than Pakistan is for a vote decission of the ppl. what they want to do, while India refuses to accept that.
And it is India who threatens to invade in the first place...

**Ned** · May 31, 2002, 18:03

Originally posted by Eli
Without nukes, the Pakistani terror attacks would've been much worse. Thanks to the nukes the Pakistanis must restrain themselves.

Assuming that Pakistan has control of al Qaida.

**Ned** · May 31, 2002, 18:06

I think India's position on a referendum is that Pakistan (and China) must first withdraw from the territories they took by force in 1947.

**Ned** · May 31, 2002, 18:09

Actually, Pakistan is an example of one of those corrupt dictatorships the US has been accused of propping up over the years. Patkis has some ideas on this. I assume that history will repeat itself.

**kolpo** · May 31, 2002, 18:28

Originally posted by Tom201
Hm, ok.
But than Pakistan is for a vote decission of the ppl. what they want to do, while India refuses to accept that.
And it is India who threatens to invade in the first place...

Imagine you Belgian terrorists blown up the Dutch parliament. Those terrorists are part of militias who Belgium supports.

The Dutch ask the Belgians to close the border for them. Belgium replies: "First give us Maastrich!. Oh and btw, if you do anything againsts those militias will we use nukes(assume Belgium has some)!"

Won't some Dutch then not start thinking of invading Belgium?

**faded glory** · May 31, 2002, 18:39

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

Mineral wealth.

Your kidding right? Khasmir has almost no resources. There biggest export is cheap roses and rugs. The entire province has about as much economic value as my town of 50,000.

The root behind the conflict is as Ethcelon said, Bigotry. Both sides hate each other. And there is such a long history of hatred between these two, you cant really blame religon. Well you can, but the root of the problem is more the fact what they have done to each other. Lets see, 1st war Pakistan attacks Khasmir takes 1/2. Second Pakistan Bombs india trys to take the rest. 3rd war, E. Pakistan, aka-Bangledesh (another genius UK idea. To leave 2 areas 1000 miles apart under the administration of one) declares independence. West Pakistan ships men over and crushes E.Pakistan revolt, but India invades E.Pakistan ad grants it independence as Bangledesh.

**Imran Siddiqui** · May 31, 2002, 20:57

Actually, Pakistan is an example of one of those corrupt dictatorships the US has been accused of propping up over the years.

Dictatorship, yes... Corrupt, no. The dictatorship actually rose up because of the corrupt nature of the democratic government. Anything compared to that comes off as much less corrupt.

**KrazyHorse** · May 31, 2002, 20:58

Those two countries are perfect examples of those whose toys should be taken away from them. Say what you will about the Cold War belligerants, but I don't think they ever came as close to nuking each other as India and Pakistan are right now, not even in '62. Only savin grace is that even if the nukes do start flying, they almost certainly won't suck any other nuclear powers into it (not even China), and their nuclear stockpiles are small enough not to kill off a significant portion of life on Earth.

**Sprayber** · May 31, 2002, 21:52

I think the Indians are only pissed that the militants attacked the parliment building cause attacks in Kasmir have been going on for years and you haven't heard them complain too much. Why India would want a province that doesn't obviously want to be apart of it is beyond me. Just because the Marajah was Hindu and wanted to be in India is their sole reason for their claim.

Let the people of that region decide where it wants to go. But apparently India is willing to potenially sacrifice tens of millions of its population in the short term for a province that obviously never wanted to be apart of India.

Does anyone know if the people of Kashmir prefer Independence or to be apart of Pakistan. Cause Pakistan may not like it if Kashmir opts for the independent route. I don't know about that though.

**Tom201** · May 31, 2002, 21:52

@kolpo
the circumstances are a quite diffrent

Dispite that I think its a bit odd, to start a war with probably thousands or maybe millions causalities over an incident with what? 30 dead ppl.?

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