Evolution (the theory) may be replaced eventually by a better theory, but the phenomenon it explains won't just go away.
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Evolution: A religion?
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How/if the evolution from a single cell to the plants and animals we have today happened is still open for discussion, yes.
The concept of evolution covers that part, but it has not yet been proven or disproven if it is correct in this case.
Having said that, evolution remains the best scientific explanation to how it happened, until someone shows compelling evidence for another mechanism.The enemy cannot push a button if you disable his hand.
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Someone said that science is ignorance at a higher level. I must say it is correct
However, that is not the same as saying science is only speculations, because speculations lead to experiments which lead to data which lead to the formulation of more and more precise theories... until someone throws in something completely unexpected and different which turns out to be the truth!
I think that's the beauty of science, the only thing you can be certain about is that you can't be certain about anythingThe enemy cannot push a button if you disable his hand.
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Originally posted by Lincoln
Too bad our guests left so quickly. When I troll an atheist forum I generally stay until they either resort to the childish "where did God come from" argument or they slowly fade off into the sunset.
There is certainly a fanatical element among evolutionists but I think most people believe it because it has been taught in school now for so long, just as it used to be taught that the Pope was the vicar of Christ in public schools.
Evolution will eventually go away when people begin to think for themselves and not read the talkorigins website as if it was their Bible. Free thinking can be a good thing!
Talkorigins is merely one source of information. You don't like it because it tells the truth and the truth disturbs your beliefs.
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Originally posted by Lincoln
what "evolution" explains is adaptation to the environment and variation available in the genome. The "theory" of man evolving from a single cell is pure speculation. Those who call that a fact are indeed practicing a faith.
Its likely that it is true but its not a fact. Distorting the claims of your opponents shows that you don't have much real to say today. Perhaps tomorrow you will stick with reality.
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My gods... another one of these?
Let me start by saying that no, evolution is not a religion or a cult. It is science. It certainly can be treated as a religion, but so can anything. We've got Scientologists, after all. There is nothing too absurd (or too well proven) to become a religion to someone somewhere. That does not make the theory itself religion.
--"The question is: Can you disprove creation science?"
No, the question is can you prove it? The burden of proof is on the claimant.
--"But read the damn bible and you'll find the answer."
My question for you here is, have you read it in the original language? You are aware of translation errors, right? The Bible is not a perfect document.
It is also foolish to claim the Bible as literal truth. Doing so shows a profound ignorance of the mentality of the time it was written.
--"Theory = A belief, but not called that by anti-creationist scientists."
A theory is not a belief. It is an-accepted-until-disproven model. With active work on the attempts to disprove it. A belief is not even close to the same thing.
--"Sounds like evolutionists don't know the definition of proven."
No, it just sounds like you are completely unfamiliar with the scientific method.
--"I've always thought of science as a belief system."
That's a contradiction in terms. The definition of belief excludes such a conclusion.
--"They believe scientific "facts" in virtually the same way that they believe in god."
Well, I'd have to agree that a lot of people in the US fit this category. This is largely because of our horrendous public schools, however. Their inability to teach basics like critical thinking is a major problem.
Wraith
"The turtle moves."
-- Terry Pratchett ("Small Gods")
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Etheired,
"Who has faded? You did that in your threads."
You must be joking. My thread was over 400 posts long and my last post was alomost the last one. Also my thread was a contiuuation of another 500 post thread. And I was talking about posting on an 'atheist' forum anyway, not here. I have found that atheists only have one legitimate argument and that is where did God come from? They are then overcome by that which they do not understand so they pretend that God cannot exist. If you do not believe that way then that is good but other 'people' do so I am justified in using that generality as I clearly intended.
"Since it isn't taught in our schools you are makeing that up."
If it isn't taught in your school then does that mean I am making it up? It is widely taught in American schools and throughout the modern world.
"Talkorigins is merely one source of information. You don't like it because it tells the truth and the truth disturbs your beliefs."
There is no truth taught at talkorigins that disturbs my beliefs.
"Since no one has called it a fact why do you pretend that people have?"
Read this thread and you will see that evolution has been called a fact by some. If you are talking about micro evolution then there is no dispute with me.
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Originally posted by Ethelred
'Atheism is a relgious belief.'
That gets the less wary. It is a religious belief in that it is a belief about religions or at least an aspect of religion that is not founded in facts. However I am carefull not to call it a religion since it doesn't fit even the loosest definition of one.(\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
(='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
(")_(") "Starting the fire from within."
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Example from page 1:
Originally posted by Boris Godunov
This has been gone over 1000 times in these forums.
Yes, evolution has been proven. It has been observed in nature. The exact nature of HOW evolution happens is what is subject of many theories, but evolution is scientific fact.
Creationists always start posting here, make circular arguments and then run away crying. So to save you time, just read this:
Explores creation/evolution/intelligent design, gives the evidence for evolution, and tells what's wrong with intelligent design & other forms of creationism.
And there you will have it. No more posts here required.
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Originally posted by Lincoln
You must be joking. My thread was over 400 posts long and my last post was alomost the last one. Also my thread was a contiuuation of another 500 post thread. And I was talking about posting on an 'atheist' forum anyway, not here.
Originally posted by Lincoln
I have found that atheists only have one legitimate argument and that is where did God come from?
Originally posted by Lincoln
They are then overcome by that which they do not understand so they pretend that God cannot exist.
Originally posted by Lincoln
If you do not believe that way then that is good but other 'people' do so I am justified in using that generality as I clearly intended.
Originally posted by Lincoln
There is no truth taught at talkorigins that disturbs my beliefs.
Originally posted by Lincoln
Read this thread and you will see that evolution has been called a fact by some.(\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
(='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
(")_(") "Starting the fire from within."
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Originally posted by Lincoln
"Who has faded? You did that in your threads."
You must be joking. My thread was over 400 posts long and my last post was alomost the last one. Also my thread was a contiuuation of another 500 post thread. And I was talking about posting on an 'atheist' forum anyway, not here. I have found that atheists only have one legitimate argument and that is where did God come from? They are then overcome by that which they do not understand so they pretend that God cannot exist. If you do not believe that way then that is good but other 'people' do so I am justified in using that generality as I clearly intended.
And the 'where does God come from?' is a quite legitimate argument. But only one of many. This is the crux of the issue on the God argument, the one thing that you will staunchly defend in the face of all reason. Even if creationism and the bible are shown for the nonsense they are, you still cling to your God. So the 'where does God come from?' is a damn good way of challenging the Christian on his own turf, after all, they seem to have little comprehension or respect of science and the scientific method, claiming that fossil records and the like are just 'concocted to test mans faith in God'. You can't argue against someone like that, because they have put up a brick wall.
"Since it isn't taught in our schools you are makeing that up."
If it isn't taught in your school then does that mean I am making it up? It is widely taught in American schools and throughout the modern world.
"Talkorigins is merely one source of information. You don't like it because it tells the truth and the truth disturbs your beliefs."
There is no truth taught at talkorigins that disturbs my beliefs.
"Since no one has called it a fact why do you pretend that people have?"
Read this thread and you will see that evolution has been called a fact by some. If you are talking about micro evolution then there is no dispute with me.Speaking of Erith:
"It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda Smith
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