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  • Originally posted by orange
    A) Cities, where police forces are largest, and where crime is at it's highest, have a much larger population of African Americans then rural areas or suburbs, where crime is less apparent, and police forces are smaller and 'locally' administered.


    That has nothing to do with the fact that Blacks are dispropotionately convicted and more severely punished compared with white criminals for the same crimes. Whites committ slightly less crime in proportion to our percentage in the population, and Blacks slightly more. Yet, Blacks are more likely to be arrested, more likely to be charged, more likely to be found guilty, and more severely punished.

    Just consider the drug trade. Most of us know where we can get drugs. Many of us buy drugs. Studies show that whites are actually more likely to use drugs, yet Blacks make up the majority of drug convictions. The laws are applied unequally.

    B) This does not negate the rights for an organization to exist that looks out for whites, or calls itself a name that would imply it, so long as there are organizations that exist to look out for blacks.


    There are two very powerful organizations that look out for the interests of white people. One is called the Republican Party. The other is called the Democratic Party. There are many, many organizations that look out for the interests of white people. However, since white people are in charge, there isn't really anything for them to complain about at the moment, unless one believes that the Jews of Hollywood and New York are stealing your money to keep black criminals and pregnant teens on the dole.

    I'm merely discussing principles...if 'black groups' can exist without being automatically labeled racist, then 'white groups' should be able to exist in the same way.


    No one is saying that that white groups don't or shouldn't have the same rights as Black groups. What people have been saying is that whites have absolutely no need for such organizations, and that when so organizations do exist, they have been created for the purposes of enforcing white supremacy (as well as anti-Semitism and anti-Catholocism, etc.).

    I'm not being oppressed as a white person. There is no need for an organization to fight for my rights as a white person. When I'm driving alone, I don't have to worry about being racially profiled. Despite the claims of anti-AA nutjobs, I don't have to worry about not getting a job because of my race or gender. I don't have to worry that my right to vote isn't going to be taken away. I don't get followed in stores. People don't cross to the other side of the street when I'm walking by. Very, very few people tell me that I'm useless because I'm white, and when it does happen (and it has), it's so out of the ordinary that I laugh. It's not like that person had any power over me whatsoever.
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    • Originally posted by Caligastia


      Jeeez! Of course I do!

      Take a chill pill Fun!

      You are Fun, dont ever change your name ok? Its so apt!
      Then that old black guy you talked to, obviously lived a life of submission when Jim Crow segregation laws were in place, before the 1960's.

      So naturally, according to his own opinion, he felt this way.

      But for the most part, blacks would no longer tolerate such degrading conditions any longer.

      I am glad I was mistaken about your stance on this, then.
      A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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      • It was Lincoln, not Caligastia, that talked to that old man.
        Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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        • Originally posted by chegitz guevara
          That has nothing to do with the fact that Blacks are dispropotionately convicted and more severely punished compared with white criminals for the same crimes. Whites committ slightly less crime in proportion to our percentage in the population, and Blacks slightly more. Yet, Blacks are more likely to be arrested, more likely to be charged, more likely to be found guilty, and more severely punished.
          The dept of justice did a survey of 100,000 people who were victims of violent crime. The percentage of blacks who were perpetrators matched the percentage of blacks arrested very closely, so this tells us that if there is any racial profiling going on, its not significant.
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          • Originally posted by chegitz guevara
            It was Lincoln, not Caligastia, that talked to that old man.
            that's right -- my bad
            A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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            • Violent crime isn't the be all and end all of crime, Cali. Most of the people in prison are there on drug-related charges, not violent crimes. In fact, in order to make room for the drug war, violent criminals have been released early. This is my number two objection to the drug war (the number one being I want to be able to do drugs without going to jail).
              Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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              • Originally posted by chegitz guevara
                Violent crime isn't the be all and end all of crime, Cali. Most of the people in prison are there on drug-related charges, not violent crimes. In fact, in order to make room for the drug war, violent criminals have been released early. This is my number two objection to the drug war (the number one being I want to be able to do drugs without going to jail).
                Well the drug war is one of the few things we agree on. Unfortunately I think the US will be the last country in the world to admit that its a failure.

                Hey! We agree on drugs and beer! What a combo!

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                ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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                • Che - while nearly in agreement, I still feel that a 'white' group with goals of getting AA off the books is not automatically racist simply because of that. Again, I'm merely discussing principles here, not actuality. The 'black organizations' that I am referring too - I am wondering if they play a major role in segregating society into colors when these segregations might not otherwise exist. Organizations are where many bonds and friendships are made, wouldn't you agree? So if a group mainly 'for blacks' exists, and is a powerful entity, it may unknowingly serve the purpose of segregating society.

                  Hey, if drug charges are a problem for African Americans, lets get them off the books. You'd get blacks AND white to participate in THAT one More importantly, you won't have to label it a 'black' organization, but it could certainly raise the point of how unequal arrests are made.
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                  • also - please excuse any typing errors...my lappy is having problems adjusting to AOHell (can you blame it!) and I'm stuck with the ol' home desktop
                    "Chegitz, still angry about the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991?
                    You provide no source. You PROVIDE NOTHING! And yet you want to destroy capitalism.. you criminal..." - Fez

                    "I was hoping for a Communist utopia that would last forever." - Imran Siddiqui

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                    • Originally posted by chegitz guevara


                      It's true. Blacks and whites got along fine under slavery and under segregation until "outside agitators" began pointing out that this is not how human beings should live. If only those darned "leaders" hadn't stirred Black people up to demand their rights.
                      Black leaders ended slavery?

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                      • *bump*
                        "Chegitz, still angry about the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991?
                        You provide no source. You PROVIDE NOTHING! And yet you want to destroy capitalism.. you criminal..." - Fez

                        "I was hoping for a Communist utopia that would last forever." - Imran Siddiqui

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                        • Originally posted by GP


                          Black leaders ended slavery?
                          It was a combination of forces.

                          Blacks had no direct political power, but, they forced the issue of slavery to continue, by running away to the Northern states.
                          The conflict over the legitimacy and morality of the Fugitive Law heightened and intensified the slavery crisis between the Northern states and Southern states.

                          During the Civil War, mamy black slaves made the choice to flee when Union troops and encampments were in the area of plantations, to help the Union cause in any way they can.


                          Ultimately, due to the actions of thousands of runaway slaves, along with other causes, white politicians who were in direct power would decide to abolish slavery by 1865 with the 13th Amendment.

                          Blacks were not cardboard, mindless creatures --- they were a force behind the intensification of the slavery crisis in the United States.
                          A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                          • Originally posted by GP


                            Black leaders ended slavery?
                            Was he referring to Black leaders only? Certainly John Brown wasn't black, but he sure was an agitator...
                            Tutto nel mondo è burla

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                            • Or how about Frederick Douglass??
                              A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                              • How 'bout dat dude in your avatar?

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