Bisexual?

[Asher]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Well, that's your problem for having a narrow train of thought on the matter.

Did you really just say that about me? After what you've just said in this thread? That's classic...

:rollseyes: Hear ye, hear ye, all heterosexual men. You are now shallow and closed-minded because you don't want to date gay men.

That's an entirely different thing. Heterosexual men do not date gay men because they cannot have sex. Duh...

I guess I'd rather be shallow by your standards than be such a blatant hypocrite.

Don't you see? You're both. A shallow, blatant hypocrite. Hooray!

Once again, you have no right to judge anyone for whom they choose to date. That puts you right in there with Jesse Helms in terms of bedroom Nazism.

So I can't judge you for not dating bisexuals, yet you can judge bisexuals as not worthy for you to date?

Interesting conundrum isn't it?

Or maybe your unrealistic, self-aggrandizing notions of relationships don't make a good match with your potential partners?

You're right, most potential partners (as evidenced by this thread) are too shallow for their own good. Their loss, I don't care much either way.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Asher

Did you really just say that about me? After what you've just said in this thread? That's classic...

Yup, and I stand by everything I said in this thread, and nothing about it is shallow.

That's an entirely different thing. Heterosexual men do not date gay men because they cannot have sex. Duh...

Sure they can, why couldn't they? Besides, the ability to have sex doesn't affect WHO a person it, which you went to great lengths to stress. If it's solely about WHO a person is, then what difference would that make?

Don't you see? You're both. A shallow, blatant hypocrite. Hooray!

Sticks and stones. Nothing I've said is hypocritical. But you claim to be a liberal thinker and then practice the worst form of anti-liberal thinking, which is being Mr. Thought Police.

So I can't judge you for not dating bisexuals, yet you can judge bisexuals as not worthy for you to date?

I'm very flattered you find my depriving the bisexual world of my datin presence such a loss, really. But it has nothing to do with their worth as people. It's about my preference, and that's all that matters. No, you can't judge that, because you 1) have no idea why and 2) you have no right to judge anyone for whom they choose to date, ever, period, end of story. It's an easy concept to grasp.

Interesting conundrum isn't it?

Huh? Conundrum? Where?

You're right, most potential partners (as evidenced by this thread) are too shallow for their own good. Their loss, I don't care much either way.

You're too pompous for your own good at times, but usually you're likeable and I agree with you on many points, so I can forgive it here.

[Asher]

I just find it fascinating the champions for gay rights still don't see any problem with discriminating against someone because they are bisexual.

Some people have even equated it to saying you'll never go out with someone from a different race.

People can go ahead and think that, and I can sit here and point my finger at the blatant hypocrisy and shallow thinking and discriminatory behavior those people represent.

Trying to rationalize it is digging you into a deeper hole. Just admit you're prejudiced against bisexuals for one reason or another (which is OBVIOUS since you feel you can't DATE them), then move on. Just don't be proud of it.

nothing about it is shallow.

Oh, pull your head out of your overly loose ass already.
You've said you wouldn't date someone because they've probably had sex with a woman before, in so many words. And that's not shallow? Christ man, open your eyes. Learn introspection.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Asher
I just find it fascinating the champions for gay rights still don't see any problem with discriminating against someone because they are bisexual.

Because not wanting to date someone isn't discriminating against them. It's exercising the same choice I would be if I didn't want to date you because I didn't find you attractive. People say that's not an equatable argument, but it is. I am not attracted to the notion of dating a bisexual person. That has nothing to do with the fundamental worth of a bisexual. I am and shall always be for complete bi equality and acceptance. But nowhere in that does it mean I should feel obliged to date anyone I don't want to date.

Mantra: No one who advocates the freedom to choose whom one dates can seriously deny the right to choose NOT to date someone, for WHATEVER reason.

People can go ahead and think that, and I can sit here and point my finger at the blatant hypocrisy and shallow thinking and discriminatory behavior those people represent.

Fingerpointing makes some people feel so much better about themselves. Self-righteousness is cathartic, I guess.

Trying to rationalize it is digging you into a deeper hole. Just admit you're prejudiced against bisexuals for one reason or another (which is OBVIOUS since you feel you can't DATE them), then move on. Just don't be proud of it.

I certainly don't have to rationalize it to you, nor anyone else for that matter. And I will proudly tell anyone who wants to know: I choose not to date bisexuals, and that's my right and I am not the least bit ashamed by it. And I will proudly say it has not one thing to do with any bigotry against bisexuals. It is about me and my personal choice of who I want to date, nothing else.

Oh, pull your head out of your overly loose ass already.

Homophobe.

You've said you wouldn't date someone because they've probably had sex with a woman before, in so many words.

I said no such thing. I have had sex with a woman before. Who one has or had not had sex with in the past does not make one a bisexual. You should know that there is much more to it than that.

And that's not shallow? Christ man, open your eyes. Learn introspection.

This from someone who can't argue without being unbelievably and personally rude to someone. You may disagree with me, but the insults are childish. Time for your bottle!

I've been through more introspection in my life than you have, I'd wager, if just because I'm a few years older. While I wouldn't presume to throw my age around as a measure, I will say that in this instance, I have obviously had more experience than you and know much better about that which we are discussing. Thanks.

[Jon Miller]

why can't people understand that some things I like I can't really explain and have no basis in bigotry

that which makes us different is what makes us interesting to eachother(within reasonable bounds)

if I like curly haired red heds wnd would not date a straight haired blond does that make me a bigot against blonds??

no, it is mearly what I find most attractive

come on people, allow others to have preferences

Jon Miller

[Asher]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Because not wanting to date someone isn't discriminating against them.

Not wanting to date someone because they're black is discriminating against someone.
Not wanting to date someone because they're bisexual is discriminating against someone.
It's not that difficult a concept.

You have a right to discriminate about who you date, and I have a right to hate you for it.

I certainly don't have to rationalize it to you, nor anyone else for that matter.

There is simply no way to rationalize it, it's all based on irrational emotions.

And I will proudly tell anyone who wants to know: I choose not to date bisexuals, and that's my right and I am not the least bit ashamed by it. And I will proudly say it has not one thing to do with any bigotry against bisexuals. It is about me and my personal choice of who I want to date, nothing else.

That's like saying I choose not to date black people because it's my personal choice of who I want to date, nothing else. That makes sense, but for people to say something like that they've obviously got some problem with black people, or in this case bisexuals.

Homophobe.

You know me, the resident Apolyton homophobe.

I said no such thing. I have had sex with a woman before. Who one has or had not had sex with in the past does not make one a bisexual. You should know that there is much more to it than that.

Okay -- let me get this straight (no pun intended).
You, a homosexual, are telling me, a bisexual, what it's like to be bisexual?
When you enter a monogamous relationship with a bisexual, then yes, the person's heterosexual side is not even present for the term of the relationship, because it's a monogamous relationship between two men.

This from someone who can't argue without being unbelievably and personally rude to someone. You may disagree with me, but the insults are childish. Time for your bottle!

Oh, give me a break, you were rude and insulted me when you said you wouldn't date bisexuals because they're bisexuals. Are you that blind?

I've been through more introspection in my life than you have, I'd wager, if just because I'm a few years older. While I wouldn't presume to throw my age around as a measure, I will say that in this instance, I have obviously had more experience than you and know much better about that which we are discussing. Thanks.

Ah, so perhaps we can go discuss this with an 80 year old homophobic Nazi and see what his opinion of the matter is. After all, he's had far more experience in life than the both of us.

Bastard.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
why can't people understand that some things I like I can't really explain and have no basis in bigotry

The only persons here who used the word bigotry are you and Boris, so don't look at me. I said it's shallow, which it is.

come on people, allow others to have preferences

This is not a PREFERENCE.

He said he would NOT date bisexuals.

That's ENTIRELY different from "I'd prefer to date complete homosexuals".

And bisexuality is, again, different from hair color because it is effectively changed the moment you enter a monogamous relationship anyway.

[Jon Miller]

it is a preference because

I will not date bisexuals = I have a preference to date homosexuals

itis just different ways to say the same thing

Jon Miller

[Asher]

No, Jon.

Saying "I will not eat spinach" is not the same thing is "I prefer not to eat spinach". Prefer means you will still do it, but most of the time do not.

[Jon Miller]

people used bigot im the other thread I beleive, I did not maintain you had used that

Jon Miller

[Jon Miller]

one statement is just perhaps a little stronger statement of the preference

they are the same, just on different positions on the preference bar (from strong preference for to strong preference against)

Jon Miller

[Asher]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
one statement is just perhaps a little stronger statement of the preference

they are the same, just on different positions on the preference bar (from strong preference for to strong preference against)

Jon Miller

Ah, I see, and I take it "yes" and "no" and "maybe" are all the same but just on different positions on the preference bar as well?

[Jon Miller]

you are using a faulty example

it is well known that like is a scale, not a dual system (like yes and no)

Jon Miller

[Asher]

It's not a faulty example because there is still a difference between saying I WILL NOT and I PREFER.

But let's stop the semantic bull**** and dig to the heart of the matter:

What does Boris have against bisexuals?
Do NOT try to cop out and say nothing. If you had nothing against them you wouldn't prefer one way or the other.

[Jon Miller]

if you are talking about what your ansewr will be then it is a sliding scale

like
yes, probably yes, maybe, probably no, no
for a 5 position scale

but of course at the time of the decision is would have to be yes or no (a dual system)

Jon Miller