Bisexual?

[Asher]

monkspider: I see what you're trying to say and I know it's not intentional, but it's not as uncommon as you think. For some reason a lot of people have a subconscious distrust for bisexuals. Check this out: http://ochs.bi.org/website/writing/biphobia.html (obviously large parts of this writeup doesn't include your comments, but some of it does)

notyoueither hit it spot on, btw.

[Provost Harrison]

I think it's a disgrace. It's a matter of judgement of the individual, not their sexual preferences. That is why I do not judge you Boris or MrFun, because I have no problem with your sexual preference. But you are saying that you do have a problem with someone elses sexual preference. Does that make you a hypocrite when criticising homophobes? Yes, it does. You have no idea what these individuals are capable of, yet you judge them on their sexuality. How would you like it?

Remember, I am not a man who applies double standards to these things, unlike some around here. You have gone down many, many notches in my estimation

[Provost Harrison]

I claim that these preferences do not come down to your idea of what straight or gay mean, after all, these only dictate your sexual preferences towards a sex, not a sexuality! So what you are doing is a conscious decision!

So Boris, if it is 'totally offensive' to you, tough titty, because I am sure a lot of people will find the discrimination you have expressed completely offensive too!

[red_jon]

I would date a bi person, it doesn't bother me in the slightest. One of my friends said she wouldn't have a monogamous realtionship with a bi guy as she wouldn't want to deprive him of his other sexuality. I don't agree - when dating anyone you are depriving them of having sex with other people.

I don't see any reason I wouldn't date a bit guy.

[Solly]

I wouldn't date a "bi" girl trying to be trendy.

[Asher]

That "bi" girl won't be dating you either, so no sweat Stew.

[notyoueither]

'Bi' girl? Does she have friends?

[Provost Harrison]

Well according to you Stew, they are all sluts anyway

[MrFun]

Boddington, I see NO logic in your connection between being trendy and sexual orientation.

Originally posted by Asher
Bis get the problem of being stuck in the middle.

Gays often don't want relationships with bisexuals because of insecurity reasons with theirselves, and some straights don't want bisexuals because of insecurity reasons with theirselves.

It honestly defies all logic completely, and I do find it offensive that some posters here who pretend to be champions for equal rights and opportunties have stated that they'd prefer not to have relationships with a bisexual person.

There's absolutely no reason for this, and I find it offensive to be honest.

Bisexual doesn't mean you see two people at once.
Bisexual people are just as capable of monogamous relationships as everyone else, and when they're in a monogamous relationship they're effectively gay or straight (depending on the sex of the partner) so it's a complete nonissue.

Those who try to say otherwise are just being shallow and a tad bit immature.

I'm not a bigot -- really, I'm not. And I wish people would not perceive this as being hypocritical.
Asher, you and I get along on here fairly well -- I would hate that my stance on this personal choice would poison our friendly relations on Apoltyon.

And why has everyone ignored my racial relationship analogy??

Does mono-racial relationships indicate racism?? If not, then that means gays who do not prefer bisexuals for relationships are bi-phobic, right??

I would disagree, with both instances.

[SpencerH]

MF

You must have missed my answer to this question on the other thread. What else would you call exclusion based solely on race? If it was a friend of mine, I'd still call him out on it. I understand that people are pressured to accept certain viewpoints because of cultural and social norms. Such circumstances dont change that exclusion based on preconceived ideas is bigotry.

[SpencerH]

MF

If I dont find oriental women generally attractive and therefore dont tend to date them its a choice based on preference. But if I say I'm never going to never going to date them because they make me "uncomfortable" there's probably another cause.

Its not the best analogy but its the best hetero one I could think of.

[MrFun]

Ok -- let's continue that discussion in the other bisexual thread, since I answered your latest post in there just now.

thanks

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by notyoueither
How would the contributors to this thread feel if I said that I would never marry a [fill in the blank race] because they can never be trusted to behave?

Isn't Asher's point that sexual preference is not relevant to monogomy?

Funny how nobody has argued they wouldn't date a bisexual because they think bisexuals are incapable of monogomy. Ergo this is irrelevant.

Only it's not like a redhead.

Bisexuals effectively become straight or gay depending who they are partners with.

It's like as soon as you enter a monogamous relationship with someone who originally had redhair, and the second you started the relationship their hair turned to blond.

At that point I can't see why it's an issue, or why anyone would care to have a preference either way, because their hair is certainly not red anymore.

So it is disturbing that even the liberal thinkers on both sides of the fence don't want to date bi people for superficial and shallow reasons. What does that leave bi people to? A life of casual sex with people like MrFun?

I find it disturbing anyone who claims to be a liberal thinker would dare judge anyone by who they prefer to date. As I have said before and will say again, the entire crux of gay/lesbian/bisexual rights is the freedom to have a relationship with whom you want, and it is utter hypocrisy to say the reverse doesn't apply.

What does it leave bi people to do? Well, date people who want/don't mind dating bi people. Date other bi people. But you will never, ever convince me that I should somehow feel bigoted or guilty for dating whom I want for whatever reasons I want. To accuse people who are 100% in favor of equal rights, protections, recognition and respect of bisexuals of being bigots because we don't want to date one is wrong and counter-productive.

It's not bigotry, it's a dating preference. You have no rights to force others to date whom they do not want to date.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Funny how nobody has argued they wouldn't date a bisexual because they think bisexuals are incapable of monogomy. Ergo this is irrelevant.

Nobody would dare argue that, but it's the only thing I can see that would produce such an irrational train of thought.

I find it disturbing anyone who claims to be a liberal thinker would dare judge anyone by who they prefer to date.

I find it disturbing anyone who claims to be a liberal thinker would dare say they'd not date someone because of WHAT they are, not who they are.

It's not bigotry, it's a dating preference. You have no rights to force others to date whom they do not want to date.

Nobody's forcing, but I'm just calling you out on being shallow.

If you want to be shallow, feel free to face the consequences of it. Otherwise grow up and date someone on WHO they are, not WHAT they are. Any true liberal thinker would tell you that.

(Then again, I'm not out looking for a date precisely because of bull**** like this -- nobody thinks rationally anymore it seems)

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Asher

Nobody would dare argue that, but it's the only thing I can see that would produce such an irrational train of thought.

Well, that's your problem for having a narrow train of thought on the matter.

I find it disturbing anyone who claims to be a liberal thinker would dare say they'd not date someone because of WHAT they are, not who they are.

:rollseyes: Hear ye, hear ye, all heterosexual men. You are now shallow and closed-minded because you don't want to date gay men.

Nobody's forcing, but I'm just calling you out on being shallow.

If you want to be shallow, feel free to face the consequences of it. Otherwise grow up and date someone on WHO they are, not WHAT they are. Any true liberal thinker would tell you that.

I guess I'd rather be shallow by your standards than be such a blatant hypocrite. Once again, you have no right to judge anyone for whom they choose to date. That puts you right in there with Jesse Helms in terms of bedroom Nazism.

(Then again, I'm not out looking for a date precisely because of bull**** like this -- nobody thinks rationally anymore it seems)

Or maybe your unrealistic, self-aggrandizing notions of relationships don't make a good match with your potential partners?