Someone requested evidence of PA involvement in terror?

[Kropotkin]

things like democracy and law should be basis for entering the UN.

That has already in a way been done, that didn't work out fine, remember?

[Ecthy]

When did that happen, Kropotkin, and what exactly happened?

[Kropotkin]

Leauge of nations. A division not exacly between democraties and dictatorships but still. Not letting all countries be part in the process is not a good basis for international politics. If Israel but none of the states against Israel would be members of the UN it would be a mirror image of what Siro portrays the UN as. I do not see the point in that.

Just letting the democratic world rule in international politics would clearly seem as a reinstallation of the "white mans burden" as rulers of the world over the head of other.

[Ecthy]

Not necessarily, think India.

Plus, if connected with opportunities for those countries which they wouldn't get otherwise, it might lead to nations getting more democratic in order to join...

[Az]

Just letting the democratic world rule in international politics would clearly seem as a reinstallation of the "white mans burden" as rulers of the world over the head of other.

And I guess we better let those crazy dictators run the place . Good thinking

[Ecthy]

No dictator is running the place, Dal...

[Kropotkin]

Dal: Sure, its unpleasant to let morons (even if the yanks are democratic ) take part but that's the great paradox of democracy; even those opposed to it can take part. We might despise them but making decisions that affects them without them is not fair either. (of cource one could be opposed to the idea of the UN all togheter but the same applies to normal democratic states).

As for the UN, no really important decisions can be made without the acceptance of a number of democraties in the security council so I wouldn't say that crazy dictators runs the place.

[Ecthy]

I said it. Now, why is it Israel was never a member of the security council? Has every country been there yet? I'd suppose so, even the GDR was, and back then they had to wait for a long time until being recognised by other nations. Now how many people recognise the state of Israel nowadays? How long didi it take until Israel was first recognised, had many countries recognise it etc.?

[Az]

oh man, just wrote replies to your posts, and then realized they don't really make sence . You know, I've got fever now. 38 degrees.

[Az]

how many muslim states are there? take number , substract two, and substract the result from the number of UN members.

[Ecthy]

38 isn't that much, Dal

But oh well, if it's that hard, get better!

So every state but the Middle East one recognise Israel? Who are those 2? Jordan and Egypt?

[Kropotkin]

Originally posted by Dalgetti
oh man, just wrote replies to your posts, and then realized they don't really make sence . You know, I've got fever now. 38 degrees.

Don't you worry, we wouldn't notice the difference

[Az]

Kropo : why thank you .
Ecthelion : thanks , but AFAIK 38 Degrees C is A LOT. 36.6-37 are in the normal. Oh , AFAIK , all the things you've stated are correct.

[Kropotkin]

Have really not a few muslim states far from the middle east like Indonesia recogniced Israel?

[Az]

I am not sure. oh and check out my new quote