Prove Stefu your ideal society would result to greatest good for greatest number

[Imran Siddiqui]

Oooh, Che has point. Mimes = evil.

All the world's problems would be solved without them .

[Ari Rahikkala]

Originally posted by Stefu
Damn you, LightEning! Now I want to know how it ends.

Evil LightEning! You most certainly didn't increase my happiness!

Just enable Javascript and you should be able to read the ending with banner ads...

[Stefu]

Oh, o-tay. I've never got what was so terrible about banner ads, anyway. Odd story. Ending was a bit flat.

BTW, that Apollonians part of your sig is starting to bug me. Take it off.

[Ari Rahikkala]

By your will, Oh Ultimate Master.

[Kassiopeia]

Originally posted by LightEning
Easy. Just make everyone think the same way. It isn't as bad as it sounds

That sounds like that quote from Uutisvuoto.

LightEning; what's this, sucking up to Stefu?

[Stefu]

Hey, cool! I'm obeyed!

[Imran Siddiqui]

Only by your right hand... and even that is tenuous.

[Stefu]

My right hand does what I want it to do!

It's the left hand that's problematic. Goddamn two-timing bitch.

[Immortal Wombat]

Technocommunism. See The Cassini Division for details

[Akka]

Originally posted by Stefu
Now, the second one is more problematic. Still, this is not really utilitarian. For one thing, most people still want to live in real world, and again, we shouldn't really go against this wish.

Put then in the fantasy world without them noticing it (chemical stuff in their food to make them asleep, then put them in the machine, ie). Then there wouldn't have any trouble due to protests.

Still, if we could have theoretical system which provides life without danger and with our every wish fulfilled, and system wouldn't break down, and we could breed if we want to, then why the hell shouldn't we take it?

We already have lots of way to die without pain. Why don't we suicide immediately ourselves ?

It's just some kind of primal urge to cling on to "real" life. If I was completely sure that the machine wouldn't break or start getting homicidal, and I'd have the choice to plug out if I want to, then I'd hook myself up, certainly. Wouldn't you?

Never, rather be dead meat than dead mind.

What's mathematics in it? Terms might be a bit clunky, but basically, utilitarians just want everyone to be happy. Looks a better moral system to me than the other options.

Maths are a simple addition. Morality is principles. Harming two people is not worse than harming one, what make one thing worse is the morality of the action.
Practical example : two people want to kill me. I don't want to. I have to fight and I kill them, or I don't and they kill me. If we're mathematics, then it's better for them to kill me (one dead) than for me to kill them (two deads). Though, morally, it's unacceptable.

So talking about "average" or "addition" or anything like that is futile when you come to principles, which are what make a society.

[Ari Rahikkala]

It's not sucking up to Stefu.... It's a custom .

[Kassiopeia]

That's, like, the first time for aeons that I see LightEning use the smiley. Honestly. Must be the time of 'day' influencing here.

[Ari Rahikkala]

Probably... I've got a feeling in my head like there was something big inside there... A lost twin brother, maybe? As in that novel of Stephen King..

[TCO]

I propse that we eliminate all racism. We could have people called "watchers" to enforce that noone speaks any racism...or thinks it.

[Ari Rahikkala]

GP: And a president who serves for life ?

(excuse my deteriorating English)