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  • Prove Stefu your ideal society would result to greatest good for greatest number

    As the title tells, I'm something of an utilitarian. Greatest good for greatest number - the utility maximization - has always seemed to me to be the best way to conduct the society - and your own life, too.

    Now, all people have their ideal society, their vision of what things should be like. Of course, this is most pronounced in utopians - communists, libertarians and like - who have a strong vision of a perfect society and would be ready implement some quite radical reforms for it to happen.

    Of course, all people aren't utilitarians, and many of these utopists have other moral codes as basis of their utopia. The concept of natural rights as pronounced by Floyd and others, for example. That doesn't matter to me. I'm interested in how much good will the society bring, if implemented. Will the average happiness quotient, if something like that could be imagined, rise?

    There are many things involved in this, naturally. Would there be much suffering in implementation of the society? Will the standard of living for most people improve? Considering much of people's happiness depends on their freedom of choice as pertaining to cars and houses and like, how much freedom will there be? Is the society stable against internal or external threats? What are the chances of utopia going horribly wrong, Soviet Union-style? What would be short-term and what would be long-term benefits? Things like those are all important parts of how good the society would be.

    As mentioned, some people's ideal society might not lead to greatest good for greatest number, but be based on some other ideals and standards. If that's so, and you can admit, then feel free to do so. Won't be likely to make me value that utopia much, but hey, can't win them all.
    "Spirit merges with matter to sanctify the universe. Matter transcends to return to spirit. The interchangeability of matter and spirit means the starlit magic of the outermost life of our universe becomes the soul-light magic of the innermost life of our self." - Dennis Kucinich, candidate for the U. S. presidency
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  • #2
    I am a utilitarian too.

    can't explain now about my system. got finals starting, one of them tomorrow (and here I am on apolyton. )
    urgh.NSFW

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    • #3
      In my ideal society, I tell everybody what to do, feel, and say. Since I'm indisputably wise in addition to being an all-around nice guy, this system obviously outperforms all others.
      12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
      Stadtluft Macht Frei
      Killing it is the new killing it
      Ultima Ratio Regum

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      • #4
        Originally posted by KrazyHorse
        In my ideal society, I tell everybody what to do, feel, and say. Since I'm indisputably wise in addition to being an all-around nice guy, this system obviously outperforms all others.
        Yeah, that's my ideal society too.
        "Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master" - Commissioner Pravin Lal.

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        • #5
          *5 million Palestinians start shaking with fear*
          12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
          Stadtluft Macht Frei
          Killing it is the new killing it
          Ultima Ratio Regum

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          • #6
            Shtephoo,

            Do we really need another thread for clueless high school students to debate philosophy? Aren't you tired of it?

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            • #7
              If you want to be utilitarian maybe you should look up the basis for neoclassical economics that's pretty much utilitarian even if one might say that their analysis of vaules is somewhat slim (money-->happiness)

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              • #8
                Hey, KH, that sounds alot like my system

                Only I plan to have a parliament and a constitution as well.

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                • #9
                  Kh, Eli is saying he likes you in charge...I think he hopes to get his hands on that Mossad defector then...

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by KrazyHorse
                    Since I'm indisputably wise in addition to being an all-around nice guy, this system obviously outperforms all others.
                    I dispute your assertion.
                    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                    For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                    • #11
                      GP

                      If so, then that's one down, 6 billion to go...
                      12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                      Stadtluft Macht Frei
                      Killing it is the new killing it
                      Ultima Ratio Regum

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                      • #12
                        See, I'm not interested in what the greatest good is, I'm interested in what is right and moral.

                        Now, I think laissez faire does bring the greatest good for the greatest number, but more importantly, it is right and moral. There's a distinction.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by DinoDoc


                          I dispute your assertion.
                          I dispute your existence.
                          12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                          Stadtluft Macht Frei
                          Killing it is the new killing it
                          Ultima Ratio Regum

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by KrazyHorse
                            I dispute your existence.
                            Do you always talk to you imaginary friends?
                            I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                            For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                            • #15
                              Only when they talk back.
                              12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                              Stadtluft Macht Frei
                              Killing it is the new killing it
                              Ultima Ratio Regum

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