What are the most powerful and influential countries?

[David Floyd]

Sure. If those opinions based on real facts, but not on propaganda too.

My opinions ARE based on facts I've reiterated several times.

Like Vietnam right?

First off, we had a massive kill-loss ratio in Vietnam. We withdrew because of internal politics, not military defeat.

I'm saing that it gave them nothing.

Except a victory, and throwing the Russians out of Wallachia certainly did something.

[Serb]

Originally posted by David Floyd
Actually the initial landing force was outnumbered, and I'd say German armor was superior to Allied armor. Their 88s were nothing to sneeze at either.

It's because there was nothing more worse then coffin with wheels you are calling the Sherman.

No, although at the time of Operation Typhoon the Soviets had more Western tanks than Soviet tanks on the front.

Interesting, considering that in 1941 SU had about 24 000 tanks of Soviet design, while US army had only about 900 tanks overall. How all those western tanks were delivered in SU and where you get such amount of tanks?

[Bereta_Eder]

well you didn't exactly capture Afganistan either
You just bombed it and the whole world was behind you and supporting you. (meaning the Taliban were all alone and without the help of a superpower like when they were fighintng USSR)

[Sandman]

The Germans beat the **** out of you in WW1. In WW2, they would have, except for American Lend Lease.

And many, many other factors. It's totally naive to think that the aid programme was the sole reason for the Soviet victory.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by paiktis22
well you didn't exactly capture Afganistan either

We still won and have so far avoided the fates of the British and Russians.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by DinoDoc


We still won and have so far avoided the fates of the British and Russians.

You didn't capture it though. You didn't even try.

[The Emperor Fabulous]

Well, since I WAY overshot this topic, I'll just go ahead and agree with everything and anything that everyone and anyone who has posted or thought about posting in this thread.

[Ecthy]

Stop trolling, Herr Paiktis.

[Serb]

Originally posted by David Floyd
First off, we had a massive kill-loss ratio in Vietnam. We withdrew because of internal politics, not military defeat.

It’s absolutely the same situation as Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan.

[Ned]

Originally posted by MrFun


First -- China's government is really not communist.


Second -- China is certainly not a backwater nation. The United States has acknowledged China's immense importance, and its position in Asia.

This why American leaders kow-tow to China by ignoring their human rights violations --- the other reason, is economic interests.

Mr. Fun, I think if it were not for the Mid East and Osama, the major focus of U.S. policy would be to fix China. What China needs is to allow true democracy, and allow the people of Taiwan full and equal integration into that democracy.

Thinking that China can ever be really powerful economically without democracy is just wishful thinking.

I am not an expert on the fall of communism in Russia. However, it does appear that the courage of a few individuals in standing up to the communists was critical, including Yeltsin, the Pope and Walesa. Thus I fully agree that the U.S. should support freedom of speech in China and defend those who are willing to oppose communism.

I totally admire anyone who in a totalitarian country is willing to take a stand for truth and freedom!

Ned

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
Stop trolling, Herr Paiktis.

Truth is not a troll.

[Pekka]

Seems americans are kicking in Afganistan, but imo it's not over yet... no sir, not until the fat lady sings.

Just a reminder so you won't forget, as you fall asleep, you will see a dream. It's not a nightmare, it's a pleasant dream. It's about a beautiful place.. you're sitting in a lake with a beautiful blond chick. You've just come out of refreshing sauna and you are been served a nice drink.. you feel like the king of the world.. Someone calls to your Nokia, just to let you know that you are special and loved.. everything is in harmony and peace, and birds are singing.. the last thing you remember when you wake up is some kind of picture.. you are not sure what it is but it's white with a blue cross on it, and you know that's the key!

[Serb]

Originally posted by Ned
I am not an expert on the fall of communism in Russia. However, it does appear that the courage of a few individuals in standing up to the communists was critical, including Yeltsin, the Pope and Walesa.

Yeltsin is not a fearless individual, he is a brainless individual. It's a big difference.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by paiktis22
You didn't capture it though. You didn't even try.

Why would we want direct control over the country? They don't have anything we want. I don't even know exactly why the Soviets invaded.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by DinoDoc


Why would we want direct control over the country? They don't have anything we want. I don't even know exactly why the Soviets invaded.

That's all good and fine. But you still didn't capture it.