Does Pi contain my phone number.

[Guest]

yes mr baggins

mr baggins your conclusion is right but the reason is somewhat sketchy
the fun part here is that the decimals of pi are not random but pseudo random as u said because they can be calculated by an arethmetical process
as u said a random process would also contain all finite strings but pi is not such a process
it still does contain all strings though being an irrationnal number

[connorkimbro]

ahhh, ok. so ANY finite string of numbers, even a string of numbers that repeats itself. say 1212121212121212 (to a thousand digits) . . . that's not repeating infinitely, so it doesn't break the rules. wierd.

[MrBaggins]

Re: yes mr baggins

Originally posted by LulThyme
mr baggins your conclusion is right but the reason is somewhat sketchy
the fun part here is that the decimals of pi are not random but pseudo random as u said because they can be calculated by an arethmetical process
as u said a random process would also contain all finite strings but pi is not such a process
it still does contain all strings though being an irrationnal number

From what I recall, there isn't a perfect mathematical proof. Am I wrong?

[connorkimbro]

I didn't realize it, but my signature sort of applies to this discussion

[Ecthy]

yes it's weird. you could even say a repetition of the chain 123, repeated 1,000,000 times, would be contained by pi at some point... I think this is getting pretty surreal. are you guys sure?

[Guest]

yes echtelion

actually mr baggins im not sure if there is one
i recall reading something about this but i would check
pi's decimals are pseudo random thats for sure
I THINK its been proven than all irrationnal number's decimal expnasion must contain all finite string of numbers.
let me get back on this

[orange]

Originally posted by loinburger


Why wouldn't it? It's infinite. It's not just long, but infinite. If there's no discernible pattern in it, then every possible finite number combination will eventually have to come up. It just might take 10^50 or 10^5000 or 10^(10^5000)+ digits before you find your particular pattern.

just because it's infinite doesn't mean that a certain set of numbers MUST appear in it.

10/3 is infinite as well, but you'll never find a 6 in there.

Even if the numbers are completely random, to say that any set of numbers (whether a phone number or something else) isn't exactly accurate, though I do agree that it's possible and probable. However, I'd bet against Andy's number appearing anywhere in Pi because Pi is so random that that kind of pattern would not occur.

[Ecthy]

well pi is not only infinite it's also irrational to say the least

[connorkimbro]

Oh, i'm so confused. . . .

[Ecthy]

now if it was also repetitive it would be a woman

[Stefu]

Incidentally, while pi's cool, e just sucks. I hate it. Stupid e.

Anyway, one of more interesting things I've heard here was that pi should be banned. Why? Because it's infinite string of numbers. Thus, with proper methods, you could get all sorts of information from there - absolute proof of existence of God, absolute proof of non-existence of God, stuff like that. However, you'll also get manuals on how to cook of hallucinogens and child porn pictures. Thus, pi contains so much illegal stuff it just *must* be banned. There's no other alternative. And same goes for that sucky e, too. Goddamn e.

[connorkimbro]

Dammit, look what i started. There's a reason i havn't studied math since 11th grade high school lol

[Guest]

Definetly sure
12121212 only looks sorta orderly becaues we are in decimal base
in any base or any other notation this particular range wouldnt look weird
suppose we took another irrational constant in decimal which started this way3.1111111112452342
and then would be weird the rest
we would say it starts orderly but if you write it in any other base no order is discernible
so the FINITE repetion of digits or pattern doesnt really mean anything it is not essential and is based more on what we think is order while any infinite repetion means something about the number (in this case means its rationnal)

[Ecthy]

yes Stefu, of course it does contain all that (like a chain of numbers that would be, if separated into 3-digit numbers and those taken as ASCII codes, the plan for an atomic bomb), but noone knows how to find it so that's bull

[MrBaggins]

Originally posted by orange


just because it's infinite doesn't mean that a certain set of numbers MUST appear in it.

10/3 is infinite as well, but you'll never find a 6 in there.

Even if the numbers are completely random, to say that any set of numbers (whether a phone number or something else) isn't exactly accurate, though I do agree that it's possible and probable. However, I'd bet against Andy's number appearing anywhere in Pi because Pi is so random that that kind of pattern would not occur.

10/3 has a simple mathematical proof giving us 3 1/3. Its just that decimals are unable to rationally define it, completely.