Nambla

[WhiteElephants]

I suspect he has confused the ability to produce children with the capacity to have intercourse.

That, or Cromagnon man's first stiffy was well into his 50's, if he even lived that long.

It would certainly give new meaning to the phrase F**k and Die.

[pchang]

10 years between 15 and 25 represents 2/3 of the lifetime of the 15 year old.
10 years between 30 and 40 represents 1/3 of the lifetime of the 30 year old.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Sprayber

I think the KKK is on par with the Black Panthers(I'm sure che will write me a paper about why they are really good guys),nation of islam, nazies in general, and anyone who spreads ignorance and hate.

However, (I'll say this one more time) I think pedophiles are much worse than the groups that I mentioned above. And I support anything that limits their ability to organize in anyway what so ever. You can make this as being anti gay or anti-minority if you want to MR Fun. But my views are really simple on the matter.

Whoa --- get off your high horse, Sprayber.

I oppose active pedophilia. I also do not see any correlation between sexual orientation and pedophilia activity, so I have never seen anti-pedophilia values as anti-gay.

I was not offended by you at all, I just wanted to participate in this on-going argument in a civil manner.

I'm just saying, that where do you draw the line once you deny one group of people free speech, and allow it for every other group??

[loinburger]

Originally posted by OzzyKP
I am right between the two numbers and I know people at both, and judging their reasoning ability I find no discernable difference.

Would you honestly say that you haven't matured at all in the past five years? If in fact you believe that you have matured in the past five years, then how can you claim that 15-year-olds and 25-year-olds are mentally and emotionally equivalent?

[Ramo]

But my views are really simple on the matter.

Yep, authoritarian.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Sprayber


It's a matter of degrees KH. One can say we should be able to smoke pot all you want to. I don't care. Usually I'm not for banning any group, but I'd loose no sleep over this one being banned or watched every minute of the day. Sorry if that disturbs anyone's sense of Constitutional justice. But when the choice comes down between the constitution and someone's child, which do you think is going to win.

If I say I think it should be legal to kill women then I should be arrested, even though I don't support killing killing women until the law gets changed, and have never killed a woman?

Same with abortion rights. Many people view it as murder, so it would be okay to get laws passed saying that not only is abortion illegal, but so is speech advocating its legalisation? Freedom of political speech cannot be abridged without resigning ourselves to a dictatorship, since now we can't even discuss changing the laws. No speech advocating or opposing the peaceful and legal change of laws should be restricted.

[KrazyHorse]

Oh, and Sprayber: should Ozzy now be arrested for advocating a change in laws?

[OzzyKP]

Originally posted by loinburger


I fail to see how you can possibly substantiate this claim.

I can in several ways. First look at most non-westernized cultures. (not that there are a whole lot that haven't been corrupted by us) In these cultures people are married and start raising families in their teens.

Even in our own western history it was extremely common for 14 or 15 year olds (and even younger) to get married and start having children. This is only in the last 200 years or so.

And just think about it logically, now people live much longer than they did at any time in human history. Do you think people with an average life span of 35 are going to wait until they are over 20 to start raising a family? Heck no! Everything used to be younger, its only in the past hundred years or so that young people began to be coddled to a sickening degree thus loosing their previous autonomy.

In Native American culutures, and other tribal cultures before they were destroyed or corrupted by westerners they had a right of passage that coincided with puberty. Once you hit puberty and complete the rite of passage you are a full member of the tribe with all the rights and priveldges of any adult member. Puberty of course occurs at 10 to 13.

So young people having sex has an incredibly long precedent, it is just our modern anti-youth hysteria that has demonized this common practice among humanity.

[OzzyKP]

Originally posted by WhiteElephants
Me thinks you think this only because your 16, no?

The point is you can't just bless someone with this information or experience, but given your lack of experience I can see why you'd think this.

Ah yes of course, rather than listen to my reasoned arguments you just make a claim that I am young and thus my arguments don't count for a damn thing, right?

This is why fighting for equal rights is such a terribly difficult thing to do.

Suffrigist, "Women are intelligent rational people and deserve the right to vote."

Anti-Suffrigist, "Ha ha, of course you'd think that, you are a dumb woman, what do you know! ha ha ha"

Me, "Youth are intelligent rational people and deserve the right to vote."
WhiteElephants, "Ha ha, of course you'd think that, you are a dumb kid, what do you know! ha ha ha"

[WhiteElephants]

Originally posted by OzzyKP

WhiteElephants, "Ha ha, of course you'd think that, you are a dumb kid, what do you know! ha ha ha"

Well junior, the proof is in the pudding, as they say.

And when you're done pining for equal rights, you can start pining for equal responsibility as well, k?

[WhiteElephants]

Originally posted by OzzyKP

Ah yes of course, rather than listen to my reasoned arguments you just make a claim that I am young and thus my arguments don't count for a damn thing, right?

I did listen to your arguement bub, and it's far from reasoned.

[OzzyKP]

Originally posted by WhiteElephants


Well junior, the proof is in the pudding, as they say. b:

And when you're done pining for equal rights, you can start pining for equal responsibility as well, k?

Ah yes equal responsibility.....

You mean like having to go to war at 18 but not being able to drink a beer till 21 or run for president till 35?

You mean being taxed at 14 but not being able to vote on those taxes till you are 18?

You mean being tried as an adult in court at 13 but not being able to serve on a jury till you are 18?

Yea, I am the greedy one who wants all the good and none of the bad. Suuurre. Perhaps your senility has deteriorated your brain grandpa, you sure don't seem to be talking out of any rational conception of reality. Living in your own world perhaps?

[WhiteElephants]

Originally posted by OzzyKP
And if you see that then you don't truly know any 15 year olds and 25 year olds. There is a great deal of prejudice that hits ones mind when they hear "15 year old" they don't actually perceive reality, they perceive their own skewed stereotypes. I am right between the two numbers and I know people at both, and judging their reasoning ability I find no discernable difference.

It's not that we don't truly know 15 year olds, as we were one, and spent many hours surrounded by other 15 year olds, its that you don't truly know anyone 25+.

[nationalist]

Originally posted by Sprayber


I think the KKK is on par with the Black Panthers(I'm sure che will write me a paper about why they are really good guys),nation of islam, nazies in general, and anyone who spreads ignorance and hate.

However, (I'll say this one more time) I think pedophiles are much worse than the groups that I mentioned above. And I support anything that limits their ability to organize in anyway what so ever. You can make this as being anti gay or anti-minority if you want to MR Fun. But my views are really simple on the matter.

Sprayber, I have agreed with everything that you have posted on this thread. Its odd to me that people can justify their rights, just as it is odd to me that people don't hold the KKK and the Black Panthers on the same level.

[nationalist]

Originally posted by OzzyKP
But if a 15 year old is given the same amount of information as a 25 year old or a 35 year old their decisions will be just as rational.

Wow. That is one of the stupidest things that I have ever read. Wait five years and re-evaluate that statement. The majority of 15 year old don't even have a sense of self identity that is separate from their parents yet. Some 25 year olds may be on a 15 year old emotional level, but very few. Look at it this way: a 25 year old has possible finished grad school. A 15 year old is a sophomore in high school. I don't care how smart you think you are, your ability to reason is not as developed at 15 as it will be at 25. ou remind me of myself 4 or 5 years ago, and I'll give you the advice that I wish I could go back and give to myself: Grow up. 15 year olds are not adults.