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  • #76
    The United States allows hate groups such as the Ku Klux Klan to carry out whatever rallies they wish to have.

    Same applies to pedophile advocate organizations, although I oppose the act of pedophilia.
    A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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    • #77
      What is the purpose of Nambla ? In what it is usefull for pedos ?
      Nobody will one day legalize such BS !
      Zobo Ze Warrior
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      Your brain is your worst enemy!

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      • #78
        Originally posted by KrazyHorse
        On the original subject, I think that the government should keep its nose out of free speech. Advocating a change in the law is and should remain legal. Advocating illegal acts is actually not legal where I'm from (nor is it in the States, IIRC); I would therefore hazard a guess that NAMBLA does not actually advocate performing illegal acts, since if they did then they would probably have been shut down by now.
        It's a matter of degrees KH. One can say we should be able to smoke pot all you want to. I don't care. Usually I'm not for banning any group, but I'd loose no sleep over this one being banned or watched every minute of the day. Sorry if that disturbs anyone's sense of Constitutional justice. But when the choice comes down between the constitution and someone's child, which do you think is going to win.
        Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul Tigh

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        • #79
          Originally posted by ZoboZeWarrior
          What is the purpose of Nambla ? In what it is usefull for pedos ?
          Nobody will one day legalize such BS !
          I don't think most people are concerned that it will be legalized. They are concerned that the group provides a central place for these people (and i use that term sparingly) to meet and exchange ideas.

          ---------------------------------------

          I would like to know one thing. What is the percentage of people that favor the legalization of pot that smokes it now regardless of it being illegal?
          Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul Tigh

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          • #80
            When you smoke pot you don't bother so much people.
            Having sex (raping, molesting, ...) with a kid is another things.
            Zobo Ze Warrior
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            Your brain is your worst enemy!

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            • #81
              Just out of interest, are the people who say "ban NAMBLA", also saying the same thing for the KKK? Feel free to find some excuse that means the KKK can still exist while the other gets shut down if you want to.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Gibsie
                Just out of interest, are the people who say "ban NAMBLA", also saying the same thing for the KKK? Feel free to find some excuse that means the KKK can still exist while the other gets shut down if you want to.
                If I was black or a Jew I probably would. But if I was black or a Jew then I would still want Nambla (and any group like it) banned.
                Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul Tigh

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                • #83
                  My problem with Nambla is that it try not to help pedophil to live peacefully in society (helping them to 'fight' against their sexuality) but try to change society for pedophils only interest.
                  Last edited by ZoboZeWarrior; April 26, 2002, 09:24.
                  Zobo Ze Warrior
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                  Your brain is your worst enemy!

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                  • #84
                    But as you're white you don't? Is it that you think you'd have a somewhat irrational hatred of the KKK as a minority, or that you only think things that affect you adversely should be put under scrutiny? Or something else..?

                    (Think you missed out a "not" after the first "is" there, Zobe)

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Sprayber


                      If I was black or a Jew I probably would. But if I was black or a Jew then I would still want Nambla (and any group like it) banned.
                      So your point is that you advocate freedom speech and asociation until you, personally, are offended or threatened by it. Well, I see the proud legacy of the Enlightenment isn't going to waste here.

                      Paging Dr. Voltaire, paging Dr. Voltaire, you're needed for an emergency in Off Topic...

                      There is a difference between speech and action, period. Why is that so hard to grasp? Sure, you join a group that advocates something illegal (like man/boy love), and you invite government scrutiny. But until you act, you are protected by the First Amendment, and that's a good thing. Giving up First Amendment freedoms in the hopes of stopping pedophiles (who, as we all know, never even existed until a bunch of nutjobs formed an organization ) is trading serious liberty for illusory security.

                      Paging Dr. Franklin, paging Dr. Ben Franklin, please join Dr. Voltaire in Off-Topic...
                      "I have as much authority as the pope. I just don't have as many people who believe it." — George Carlin

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Gibsie
                        (Think you missed out a "not" after the first "is" there, Zobe)
                        Yea... I hesitated between 'less ... than' and 'not .. but' articulation. I missed both !

                        I think that such organization r illegal in France.
                        Zobo Ze Warrior
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                        Your brain is your worst enemy!

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly


                          So your point is that you advocate freedom speech and asociation until you, personally, are offended or threatened by it. Well, I see the proud legacy of the Enlightenment isn't going to waste here.

                          Paging Dr. Voltaire, paging Dr. Voltaire, you're needed for an emergency in Off Topic...

                          There is a difference between speech and action, period. Why is that so hard to grasp? Sure, you join a group that advocates something illegal (like man/boy love), and you invite government scrutiny. But until you act, you are protected by the First Amendment, and that's a good thing. Giving up First Amendment freedoms in the hopes of stopping pedophiles (who, as we all know, never even existed until a bunch of nutjobs formed an organization ) is trading serious liberty for illusory security.

                          Paging Dr. Franklin, paging Dr. Ben Franklin, please join Dr. Voltaire in Off-Topic...
                          I don't think that the Black Panthers, Nation of Islam, Communist, nazies or the Pot Growers of america should be banned either. Just those people that advocate what this groups advocates. Is this plain enough for you Rufus? Do I need to get any clearer?

                          If you want to go further. You can say that I’m prejudiced against pedophiles. I’m all for the government suppressing every last one of them and whatever semblance of a group identity that they may have. Regardless if they are men, women, heterosexual or homosexual, black white or any color of the rainbow. Get rid of all of them.

                          I hope that clarifies my stand on the issue.
                          Last edited by Sprayber; April 26, 2002, 11:28.
                          Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul Tigh

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Sprayber


                            I don't think that the Black Panthers, Nation of Islam, Communist, nazies or the Pot Growers of america should be banned either. Just those people that advocate what this groups advocates. Is this plain enough for you Rufus? Do I need to get any clearer?
                            I still have trouble understanding what you're position is.

                            How can you ban free speech of people who advocate what the groups advocate, and yet, allow free speech of the groups??
                            A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by MrFun


                              I still have trouble understanding what you're position is.

                              How can you ban free speech of people who advocate what the groups advocate, and yet, allow free speech of the groups??
                              Because I'm picky about who I despise. And Pedophiles and any other human being that preys on children rank high on my list of people who are just a general waste of air. It's pretty damned easy to talk about rights when it's just an academic discussion, but can get real personal when vermine like Nambla decides to endulge themselves with an acutal living breathing chid.

                              "Oh they don't actually do it Sprayber they are just innocent lobbiest"

                              Those that believe that can continue to hide behind the constitution if they wish.
                              Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul Tigh

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                              • #90
                                So then you despise pedophiles when they pratice their freedom of speech, but not act upon it.

                                But you do not despise Ku Klux Klan members when they pratice their freedom of speech, but do not act out any violence towards blacks??
                                A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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