Jean-Marie Le Pen vs. Arlette Laguiller - who'd you vote for?

[Monk]

Speaking in terms of political parties, it's the far right which is the most important anti-EU voice in Denmark. The socialists are totally divided on the issue, and they have far less influence than the right-wing populists.

[Zoid]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Arlette. I used to be in the US branch of Lutte Ouviere, the Spark.

Very cultish organization, but also very effective relative to their size.

I didn´t know they existed outside France...

Axi: One thing that anti-EU protesters have in common is the extremly nationalistic stance they take. Makes me shiver, really...

DeeEllway: Dude, maybe you should change your handle to "Mr Sensitive" Jeez...

[DinoDoc]

Re: Okay comrades...

Originally posted by axi
But it is tragic to see the opposition to the EU being put on a totally wrong base: national sovereignty.

Why is that? It sounds like a valid reason to be opposed to the EU.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Kamrat X
I didn´t know they existed outside France...:

Yep, West Africa, the West Indies, Britain, France, Spain, and the US. Wouldn't be surprised at all if they had a presence in Quebec. Seriously hardcore comrades. They dedicate themselves totally to the struggle, which probably makes them unsuited to lead it (though I think they will), since they don't really know what it's like to be human. For them, humanity is this abstract thing, not something they are part of. They don't marry or have children, they don't drink alcohol or take drugs, . . . anyways, I only lated six months.

However, they read at least a book a week, and not schlocky old Stephen King type stuff, but philosop[hy and science and works of literature. They attend all kinds of cultural events, real sharp comrades. I find they generall have a superior analysis to all others, except when the party line enters the pciture, in which case thy become rather formulaic.

[axi]

Axi: One thing that anti-EU protesters have in common is the extremly nationalistic stance they take. Makes me shiver, really...

I am anti-EU and I am not nationalist. In my country, the only anti-EU voices right now are from the radical left, since even the Communist Party has stopped voicing any anti-EU rhetoric. The fascists are anti-EU too, in the usual lepenic way that is the same throughout Europe, but until now they have been insignificant, since all fascists (junta-lovers, royalists, etc) are hiding under the wings of the conservative party (Nea Dimokratia).

InDenmark however, the climate must be totally different. You are the country with the most liberal social policies yet with one of the most conservative political spectra, seeing that you are ruled by a coalition of the right and the far right.

[Bereta_Eder]

Le Pen has contacts in Greece too.

Some years back some extreme right wing people from Nea Dimokratia had frequent contacts with him.

In his web page there is a extensive Greek presence.

(and in the Greek domain of his website you can also play froutakia).

[Bereta_Eder]

BTW get acquianted with the man.



My day in Corfu with Le Pen
Helena Smith recalls sharing a bottle of ouzo with the man who sent shock waves across Europe

Sunday April 28, 2002
The Observer

I met Jean-Marie Le Pen at sea. It was 16 June 1993. He was singing ('some old love song about St Germain des Pres'), whiling away his time crossed-legged on a wooden raft. I was clinging to a rubber float. He sat, guru-like, on the raft in a Bermuda-style swimsuit. For some time - no doubt for the benefit of a myriad hidden cameras - the politician had been treating the world to a vigorous display of press-ups and bicycle exercises.

Splayed flat on his back, his big belly and old-man breasts wobbling in the sun, he had been circling his long, dainty legs in big, round movements for what seemed like an age.

I had swum out from the Corfu coast in the hope of catching him unawares. There was nothing but the silky smooth Ionian sea between us. No immigrants, Jews, blacks or homosexuals. But conversation soon turned to all three because Jean-Marie - although quaintly old-fashioned in manner - clearly finds small talk a little hard.

We had chatted about Greece. 'J'adore la Grèce, my wife is half Greek and I love ancient Greek culture. I learnt it at school.' The sun. 'J'adore le soleil, although wherever I go it rains.' And the sea: 'I wanted to swim but today the sea smelt.' And about St Germain des Pres: 'The best part of Paris, the best place in the world.'

I had inquired about the somewhat shrill 'La, Da, Da, Dee, Dee, Dees,' emanating from his mouth. 'You don't know such a famous tune?' he had giggled, holding in his paunch. 'Why, it's a love song about lost love. The world without love is nothing. L'amour c'est tout.' After that, there was little to say.

Perhaps, I had asked, he could tell me, a young English journalist, about his thoughts? After all, wasn't the whole of Corfu up in arms about the two-day working-visit he was holding on the island with other ultra-right MEPs?

'Thoughts, I have none!' he had said with a wistful look out to sea.

Which might be why, back on the beach, I was asked to join him for a little bit of conversation. His noticeably younger, auburn-haired wife, stretched out under a blue and red umbrella, would love to meet me as well. Very soon, there I was, drawn into a spider's web of chit-chat ranging from that 'decadence of Europe' to immigrants, Jews, blacks and homosexuals.

I should know, he said as his wife rubbed sun oil into his broad freckled shoulders, that 'the principle cause of decadence in our countries is the policy of massive immigration. Our social systems give these people more than they would have in their own countries, which of course, is all wrong. They are to blame for unemployment, insecurity and crime, for taking the jobs of good people like you'.

Throughout history, he continued, borders had been necessary to protect populations. All this talk of a frontier-free Europe, of globalisation, was utopian.

But didn't he feel lonely? After all, there were banners outside his hotel that proclaimed 'Go home you fascist murderer'. ( A l'attaque )

'Bah! Protesting against me is simply a way for communists to exist,' he said to nods of approval. 'You know it was socialists who created fascism, communists who created fascism. The only thing I really don't care for is Israel, but I'm no more a fascist than Margaret Thatcher. Why, I even have Jews, Arabs and blacks in my party and some, yes some, are even homosexual.'

Madame Le Pen had begun to look uneasy. Did le President (for that was Le Pen's preferred form of address) really approve of such people? 'Personally not... homosexuality and sodomy are to blame for Aids, but the only rule in my party is patriotism. Although I like heterosexuals, because I am heterosexual, I don't think homosexuals are so bad they should be put in prison.'

'Now in France, little by little, every party is coming round to the same view as me... I just saw the light before the others! I will tell you, later, how I fight for the victory of my ideas.'

And that night, over glasses of ouzo between treating us to a spectacle of Greek dance round the swimming pool, he did. 'Life is a continuous fight, my dear English journalist,' said the grandfatherly figure in the monogrammed shirt and slacks.

'The problem is politicians tend to fight for themselves. I don't. I will take my sword and fight, disguised as a woman if I have to, to stand by what I believe. Now tell me,' he implored, grabbing me by the arm, 'will you write the truth?' 'Of course.'

It was no shock when the National Front denounced me 24 hours later as 'a dirty piece of rag'. I had glimpsed Le Pen's dangerous charm.

And it was quite enough.

[monolith94]

"little by little, every party is coming round to the same view as me... I just saw the light before the others!"

How arrogant....

[Ned]

Originally posted by axi


I am anti-EU and I am not nationalist. In my country, the only anti-EU voices right now are from the radical left, since even the Communist Party has stopped voicing any anti-EU rhetoric. The fascists are anti-EU too, in the usual lepenic way that is the same throughout Europe, but until now they have been insignificant, since all fascists (junta-lovers, royalists, etc) are hiding under the wings of the conservative party (Nea Dimokratia).

InDenmark however, the climate must be totally different. You are the country with the most liberal social policies yet with one of the most conservative political spectra, seeing that you are ruled by a coalition of the right and the far right.

Axi, I saw an interview with your King, Constantine. If you could, would you want him to resume his position?

Ned

[DeeEllway]

Originally posted by Kamrat X

DeeEllway: Dude, maybe you should change your handle to "Mr Sensitive" Jeez...

to yourself you stupid ****

[axi]

Axi, I saw an interview with your King, Constantine. If you could, would you want him to resume his position?

Eeewww, you saw that disgrace? Of course I don't want the king to return. Very few people in Greece do. I want all his property seized - he doesn't deserve a single drachma of the greek people's property.

Konstantine is a first class scumbag. When the 1967 junta of the colonels happened, he was considering doing a coup himself, along with the general staff, but the colonels beat him to it. A yaer later he did a failed attempt, not to restore democracy as he said, but to bring the junta under his control.

[Zoid]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Yep, West Africa, the West Indies, Britain, France, Spain, and the US. Wouldn't be surprised at all if they had a presence in Quebec. Seriously hardcore comrades. They dedicate themselves totally to the struggle, which probably makes them unsuited to lead it (though I think they will), since they don't really know what it's like to be human. For them, humanity is this abstract thing, not something they are part of. They don't marry or have children, they don't drink alcohol or take drugs, . . . anyways, I only lated six months.

Sounds more like an extreme maoist group... How big are they? In my experience these groups tend to burn themselves out rather quick.

However, they read at least a book a week, and not schlocky old Stephen King type stuff, but philosop[hy and science and works of literature. They attend all kinds of cultural events, real sharp comrades. I find they generall have a superior analysis to all others, except when the party line enters the pciture, in which case thy become rather formulaic.

[Ned]

paiktis22, Thanks for posting the article on Le Pen. Clearly as of 1993, he was no friend of Israel. I wonder why the attitude change if today he holds the opposite view.

Are there any polls to indicate how the French electorate is leaning?

Ned

[axi]

Clearly as of 1993, he was no friend of Israel.

No offense, Ned, but I have been wondering about you, do you have any relations with Israel? Aren't you American? Are you jewish?

[Ari Rahikkala]

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Map of the radioactive influence of Chernobyl in France:

http://www.intercarto.com/html/cartotheque/risc_01.htm

Map of the voters of Le Pen:

http://paslepen.chez.tiscali.fr/carte.htm

Scary, isn't it?

Alberto Monteiro