Jean-Marie Le Pen vs. Arlette Laguiller - who'd you vote for?

[Bereta_Eder]

Statistics: the easiest way to lie.

[Caesar the Great]

wow... i'm pretty surprised how many votes le pen is getting here on ACS, i thought most of u were rather liberal....

[Ned]

Caesar, Since all the discussion has been focussed on Le Pen, I too am surprised. The only justification I could see for voting for Le Pen is to vote against LO. Pehaps that is what you are seeing.

Ned

[Akka]

Caesar, Since all the discussion has been focussed on Le Pen, I too am surprised. The only justification I could see for voting for Le Pen is to vote against LO. Pehaps that is what you are seeing

Sure, seems that extreme left afraid more people that extreme right. I will never understand this hatred of many Americans for everything that looks like a communist...

[Ned]

Akka le Vil, I cannot speak for every American, but I do notice that Communists historically have called for the overthrown of the U.S. government. We also notice that communist governments tend to be one-party dictatorships. Stalin, Mao and Castro are not what we want in the United States.

On a separate point, communism depends on a class system to generate support. Nothing like that exists in the the United States.

Ned

[Akka]

Just found some "amusing" fact about the friends of our 'friend'

BUDDIES OF LE PEN AND HIS PARTY :

Léon Gaultier: former lieutenant Waffen SS
Gilbert Gilles : former adjudant Waffen SS, former member of the OAS
Marc Augier : aka Saint-Loup. writter, ex-SS
Pierre Busquet : former member of the division Charlemagne
Victor Barthélemy : former member of the légion des volontaires français contre le Bolchevisme (LVF)
Paul Malaguti : Member of the Parti Populaire Français, guarding the Gestapo's house in Nice while resistants were being tortured (Canard enchainé, 26 february 1992)
Roland Gauguillot : former member of the Vichy government
Pierre Sergent : former member of the OAS


For those not used about French internal history :

OAS : extreme-right party whose members tried to keep the Algeria as a french colony. Involved in tortures, de Gaulle's assassination attempt, military putch attempt.

LVF, Waffen FF, Division Charlemagne : French voluntarees in WW2 that fought in the Nazi army as foreign soldiers.

[Akka]

Originally posted by Ned
Akka le Vil, I cannot speak for every American, but I do notice that Communists historically have called for the overthrown of the U.S. government. We also notice that communist governments tend to be one-party dictatorships. Stalin, Mao and Castro are not what we want in the United States.

On a separate point, communism depends on a class system to generate support. Nothing like that exists in the the United States.

Ned

I do not try to make communist governments better than they are. I just wonder why in USA, "commie" is even more aggressive than "fascist".

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Akka le Vil

I do not try to make communist governments better than they are. I just wonder why in USA, "commie" is even more aggressive than "fascist".

We finished the fascists in 1945, and the communists only in 1989.

[Akka]

Originally posted by Sikander


We finished the fascists in 1945, and the communists only in 1989.

You did not finished anything. Communists are still here in North Korea and Viet-nam, and fascists still exist in many states (in fact, Pinochet was sent to power by the CIA, and the Colonels' regime was helped by USA, too).

[Fidel]

of course i would vote for that chick, but in a current situation, le pen would get my vote. i mean, france is ALREADY a police state, they already hate foreigners big time, they even have language purification rules, so wtf, give him a try. at least he does not stick to his immunity after punching someone in the face....

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Akka le Vil

You did not finished anything. Communists are still here in North Korea and Viet-nam, and fascists still exist in many states (in fact, Pinochet was sent to power by the CIA, and the Colonels' regime was helped by USA, too).

Korea is still a problem I grant you, but we are keeping an eye on them. As for the others, it's not our job to tell everyone what sort of government to have, we take an interest when they threaten their neighbors or us. There are bad governments in many places in the world, so we pay more attention to those whose policies have negative effects on us and out allies.

[Akka]

Originally posted by Sikander


Korea is still a problem I grant you, but we are keeping an eye on them. As for the others, it's not our job to tell everyone what sort of government to have, we take an interest when they threaten their neighbors or us. There are bad governments in many places in the world, so we pay more attention to those whose policies have negative effects on us and out allies.

Still nothing to do with the hatred of many American toward leftists.

[SKILORD]

Le pen..... i don't like the french he doesn't sound good for them.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Akka le Vil


Still nothing to do with the hatred of many American toward leftists.

Akka, I don't know if "hatred" is the right term. I believe that many American's disagree with a lot of what the radical left has to say, such as state ownership of the means of production.

We are used to discussing ideas in the United States. We actually defend the right of even the Communists to speak openly. However, most Americans do not take their economic theories seriously, but rather regard them as somewhat laughable.

In actual fact, I believe so-called "workers" are better off here in United States than anyplace else the world. If you would believe communist propaganda, this would be impossible to due to the capitalist nature of our economy.

Once upon a time, Communism was not merely a benign economic theory advanced by the left in democratic societies. It was an aggressive "religion" that was actively being spread by communists throughout the world. The USSR gave it financing and support in its cold war with the U.S. It was a real threat to the continued existence of democracies.

Now, you would argue, and correctly, that the U.S. propped up corrupt anti-communist dictatorships to keep many countries from going communist. Obviously, this was wrong morally and wrong strategically as the people of these countries ended up hating us. Hopefully, we have learned our lesson.

Ned

[Akka]

Originally posted by Ned
Obviously, this was wrong morally and wrong strategically as the people of these countries ended up hating us. Hopefully, we have learned our lesson.

Ned

I sadly doubt that any secret service of any nation will ever bother about something like human rights.