Britain refuses to extradite sept 11 suspect to the USA

[Sava]

Originally posted by Asher
The man lived his life to take life from others, why should we pay to keep him alive and mock the families of those he killed?

Well put. That is why the Death Penalty should be kept.

BUT

And this is a big BUT. The Justice system needs to be reformed so that to prevent innocents from being on death row. There have been hundreds in Illinois that have been exonerrated by DNA evidence.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Ethelred


Beheading would be OK I suppose. Tortured to death is another thing. I think that would go against quite a few international treaties. I would guess that the US never refused to extradite to France before they stopped using the guilotine. I don't the suppose the opportunity arose very often though.

Beheading is cleaner than the electric chair. Thats a pretty nasty method of execution and most states no longer use it.

Beheading cleaner? You do realize that when you cut off the head, blood is going to go everywhere.

[ZoboZeWarrior]

Originally posted by Sava
Beheading cleaner? You do realize that when you cut off the
head, blood is going to go everywhere.

It was a good system :
1) It was the most painless (the guillotine was created to deliver a painless death).
2) French citizens had a clear view of the blood they had on their hands. No asceptized death here : cries then blood, the true reality of the death.

I'm against the DP, but if DP exists, it must be public.

[Rogan Josh]

Originally posted by ZoboZeWarrior
It was a good system :
1) It was the most painless (the guillotine was created to deliver a painless death).
2) French citizens had a clear view of the blood they had on their hands. No asceptized death here : cries then blood, the true reality of the death.

I'm against the DP, but if DP exists, it must be public.

Painles?? Are you aware that there are claims that a person can stay alive for up to 6 seconds after being beheaded? Apparently during the French revolution they used to hold the head up to the crowd and often the head would try to say something! yuck!

Opponents of this belief say that it is just random muscle spasms, but I don't think much research has been done on this.....

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by Sava


Beheading cleaner? You do realize that when you cut off the head, blood is going to go everywhere.

Yes I do. But the corpse won't catch fire like Sparky has done in at least execution. In any case its over pretty quick. Electocution can take a while.

Both are sloppy.

I know a much better way. Just use a carbon dioxide absorber and a small volume of air. I saw Dr. Jonathon Miller do this on some medical series. Thats the Miller from the old Brittish comedy troupe Beyound the Fringe that included Peter Cook and Dudley Moore. Anyway he just slowly lost consciousness. If a stagehand hadn't removed the mask he would have died without ever noticing.

[Ecthy]

Originally posted by Rogan Josh
Painles?? Are you aware that there are claims that a person can stay alive for up to 6 seconds after being beheaded? Apparently during the French revolution they used to hold the head up to the crowd and often the head would try to say something! yuck!

This just has to be a BS

[Az]

AFAIK it's not.

[Ecthy]

[MrBaggins]

There is still enough juice to power neural operations for a few seconds afterwards... as to whether there is enough stored energy in the jaw muscles and tongue is a different matter... and there is no back pressure for the larynx to work.

Seems BS

To confirm... I do believe that the brain is 'aware of the damage' until stored energy runs out in a couple of seconds but is not necessarily able to do anything about it, such as speech.

[Ecthy]

yes, but you actually notice your own decapitaiton and are aware of it, right?

[MrBaggins]

correct... not a nice way to go

since no means of death is instant, there is always awareness of bad things happening, within the brain.

The kindest way to go is the quickest; atomization by explosive, brain first.

[Ecthy]

what about being shot? like being shot into your chest (heart, maybe)... i´s it the same? do you notice there's something not wrong and then slowly (or maybe quickly) pass away in mind despite being unable to communicate outwards since seconds ago?

[MrBaggins]

Ecthelion wrote something in the manner of
what about being shot? like being shot into your chest (heart, maybe)... i´s it the same? do you notice there's something not wrong and then slowly (or maybe quickly) pass away in mind despite being unable to communicate outwards since seconds ago?

Interrupting the heart interrupts blood flow which provides the brain with energy. The brain can survive a few seconds with negative blood flow (all blood evacuating the head, not just 'still' blood which can provide some sustained sustinance to the brain.

[Ecthy]

so it's basically the same... I take it any death that is caused by an interrupt of the brain's blood supply wouldn't go unnoticed by you and even your awareness... I wonder what a feeling that must be, to notice how you're passing out well knowing you're not going to return...

Now what about falling from some great height without too severe head injuries when hitting on the ground... damn, I'm feeling sh!t posting all this explicit crap but I'm seriously wondering about this... I mean, in this very example, does that mean you're full of pain while dying and all that in full awareness?

[MrBaggins]

yep... anything where the brain is not the first thing to be destroyed means that the brain will 'be aware' of massive damage, which we can interpret in very vague terms for this discussion, as agonizing pain.