Britain refuses to extradite sept 11 suspect to the USA

[KrazyHorse]

Because we're not animals, and neither is he. The death penalty is wrong when alternatives to protect society exist.

[Asher]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Because we're not animals, and neither is he. The death penalty is wrong when alternatives to protect society exist.

I am an animal, and so is he.
The death penalty is right because he could just escape (like it's SO hard to do in the Canadian Club Fed-type prison system), and he stands as a continuing reminder to the victim's families that he can take their relative's lives while he still gets to watch color TV, eat three square meals a day, and live a pretty damn decent life behind bars.

Death to serial killers, especially when they're caught in the act. Add to this further that you're advocating a foreign country front the enormous cost for keeping this guy alive boggles my mind.

[KrazyHorse]

[Asher]

[Sprayber]

Europe and Canada the refuge of murderers and terroists.

I bet ya'll don't put that on the travel brochures.

[Roland]

Refuge ?

From what I've heard about that case, the US failed to substantiate its charges.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/england/newsid_1949000/1949435.stm

If it had chosen to substantiate the charges, the DP issue would have arisen. if the US would have refused to rule out the DP, he would have been tried in a UK court.

But the US Government said he was still a suspect and sought extradition for falsifying an application to the Federal Aviation Authority (FAA) for a US pilot's licence. Mr Raissi had not declared a previous conviction for theft and a knee operation. The court heard he had been convicted in 1993 of stealing a briefcase and its contents. He was fined £150 and £30 costs at Uxbridge Magistrates Court.

A refuge for terrorists. Indeed.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Roland
Refuge ?

From what I've heard about that case, the US failed to substantiate its charges.

Roland: They don't want to talk about that. They just want to show how Britain showed up the US. I just gave them something to talk about thats all.

[Roland]

Hmm... must have been before the canadian infighting...

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by Asher

So did Canada, but we recently extradited Charles Ng back to California, no? (It kinda made big news here, since the serial killer was arrested at the local mall for shoplifting, of all things, and he shot an unarmed mall security guard before being tackled )

I thank Canada for that. Ng is a monster. I have seen photos of what he did and the nice little list of instructions he and his friend gave their victims to follow while they remained alive as sex toys.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Roland
Hmm... must have been before the canadian infighting...

Yeah I was talking about the original intent of the thread. Someone already mentioned that the whole point was that the US failed to provide evidence supporting their claim. But that was quickly looked over. Then again, the thread would have died if they had looked at that point.

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Because we're not animals, and neither is he. The death penalty is wrong when alternatives to protect society exist.

All humans are animals. Especially Charles Ng. Few animals are would do what he did so please don't insult the innocent kittens.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Roland
Hmm... must have been before the canadian infighting...

By the way, I expet Alberta to declare war on the rest of Canada soon with Asher in command.

[Rogan Josh]

So would the US be happy to extradite a US citizen from the US to a country where the punishment was beheading or being tortured to death?

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by Sprayber


Yeah I was talking about the original intent of the thread. Someone already mentioned that the whole point was that the US failed to provide evidence supporting their claim.

Yes the US did a lousy job at best. The US appears to have just claimed he was involved without showing evidence. Then they tried a bunch of exceedingly technical complaints about the guy. Those technaicalities might have had some use if the US had information that could not be divulged publicly at the moment. Since the Judge did not take advantage of the technicality I must assume the US did not even have secret evidence that showed much of anything.

Right now it looks like the US wanted him as a by product of guilt by association and was hoping to find admissable evidence after the Feds got their hands on him. Considering the way the Bush administration is trying to avoid dealing with US laws by treating these guys as war criminals they are going to have start producing evidence a bit stronger than a claim that someone might have been seen of the prescence of someone else.

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by Rogan Josh
So would the US be happy to extradite a US citizen from the US to a country where the punishment was beheading or being tortured to death?

Beheading would be OK I suppose. Tortured to death is another thing. I think that would go against quite a few international treaties. I would guess that the US never refused to extradite to France before they stopped using the guilotine. I don't the suppose the opportunity arose very often though.

Beheading is cleaner than the electric chair. Thats a pretty nasty method of execution and most states no longer use it.