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  • #136
    Originally posted by Havak
    Actually I had taken onboard she was joining you - which is why I avoided some of the more obvious things one could say about touring Paris and Amsterdam. I still wouldn't get away with a rugger fest on my return from such trip - you lucky devil
    Im turning her into a rugby fan, slowly but surely.

    One of the things that she likes about rugby is that each 40 minute half can be watched without ad breaks.
    Enjoy yourselves!
    Thanks mate, we will.
    ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
    ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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    • #137
      Originally posted by Havak
      It's quite some squad the barbarians have actually - you may recognise some names.

      Backs:
      Jonah Lomu (Wellington Hurricanes/Nzl), Christian Cullen (Wellington Hurricanes/Nzl), Thomas Castaignede (Saracens/Fra), Braam van Straaten (Leeds/Rsa), Carlos Spencer (Auckland/Nzl), Agustin Pichot (Bristol/Arg), Pieter Rossouw (London Irish/Rsa), Roger Randle (Waikato Chiefs), Thinus Delport (Natal Sharks/Rsa)

      Forwards:
      Abdelatif Benazzi (Saracens/Fra), Jason Leonard (Harlequins/Eng), Rassie Erasmus (Free State Cats/Rsa), Adrian Garvey (Newport/Rsa), Simon Taylor (Edinburgh/Sco), Trevor Leota (Wasps/Sam), Christian Califano (Auckland Blues/Fra), Taine Randell (Otago/ Nzl), Pat Lam (Newcastle/Sam), Kieran Roche (Saracens), Mauro Ledesmo (Narbonne/Arg), Robbie Kempson (Ulster/Rsa), Todd Blackadder (Edinburgh/Nzl), Mark Andrews (Natal/Rsa), Kupo Vanisi (Wellington Hurricanes)
      Mmmm. Handy. A couple of them can play a bit. It's been interesting watching Jonah Lomu this S12 season. Seems to have lost a lot of his potency. True, he mightn't have been very well served, but he's being stopped in tackles a lot more than he once was.


      And I'm with Caligastia on the cricket - I do watch it but then everyone needs quality sleep occassionally.
      Dang heathens! 'Tis the greatest game of all.

      You guys have clearly travelled - sadly I doubt I will make the 2005 Lions tour to NZ as my tour mates are wimping out - they reckon it's too cold there in June/July??
      Freeze your tits off in NZ at that time of year. Particularly if they're playing in the Deep South. I don't imagine they'll get down as far as Invercargill. Lucky for them.

      Just on the travel thing for a moment. I would give my right arm to live anywhere in your region, Havak, for the simple reason that you're so close to the greatest parts of the world. If I lived where you do, I'd hardly ever be home.
      " ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
      "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.

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      • #138
        Originally posted by Caligastia


        Hey! I wasnt trying to be a show-off! I was trying to see if anyone would want to meet me.
        M-hm. Protesteth a bit too loudly, methinks. It was your later post - the one about "When in Rome ... " - that gave you away.
        " ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
        "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.

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        • #139
          Originally posted by Caligastia


          Im turning her into a rugby fan, slowly but surely.
          Mrs finbar is slowly but surely realising that rugby is something pretty important. Once I point out to her which team is which - and, in the case of the South African S12 teams, where they're actually from, which, given their teams' names, takes quite some explaining - she can follow the basics. I must realise, though, that trying to explain to her the various refs' interpretations at the breakdown is a no-no. Her eyes glaze over. Well, mine do, too, actually.
          " ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
          "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.

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          • #140
            One of the things that she likes about rugby is that each 40 minute half can be watched without ad breaks
            A wild stab here - she is American right?

            the various refs' interpretations at the breakdown is a no-no
            And then once you get into the hemispheric differences in interpretation as well it's like a proper sedative.

            But we can solve this easily - everyone should adopt a northern interpretation.

            but he's being stopped in tackles a lot more than he once was.
            I have to say I am rather glad to hear that with NZ due to play us in the Autumn.

            I always thought with Jonah though that he has never been impressive going back - pop the ball in space behind him and you have a chance - his defensive game is not the best I've seen. Having said that he can be damn awesome going forward and he always seems to find his form for England damn him!

            you're so close to the greatest parts of the world
            Huh? That was a typo right? I live in the greatest part of the world - I did mention I was English right?

            Seriously though you have a point - but we never tend to appreciate the things within easy reach do we? I mean I really enjoyed Australia as a visitor, I loved Canada too - and whilst I like France (unusual for a Pom I can assure you) I would take either of the above before it anyday.
            It is better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt

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            • #141
              Originally posted by finbar


              I must realise, though, that trying to explain to her the various refs' interpretations at the breakdown is a no-no. Her eyes glaze over. Well, mine do, too, actually.
              So do the refs'.

              And damn if the Tri-Series in OZ recently wasn't some of the best sport I've ever seen! I''l take that over endless Super 12 matches and overhyped ABS games anyday. The sheer amount of advertising appearing on rugby matches televised in NZ is getting really old, really fast. Although, when I was staying at MT. Ruapehu a few weekends ago the Sydney/Canberra game did mean we all got bored enough to drink far more than usual.. The aim was a pint of Ruapehu Draught (shudder) every five minutes. I made every ten. It made the game almost exciting.
              Consul.

              Back to the ROOTS of addiction. My first missed poll!

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              • #142
                Originally posted by Havak


                I always thought with Jonah though that he has never been impressive going back - pop the ball in space behind him and you have a chance - his defensive game is not the best I've seen. Having said that he can be damn awesome going forward and he always seems to find his form for England damn him!
                He's still got the problem with the ball behind him - as has Wendell Sailor - but he really isn't steamrolling like he used to. Whether it's that the oppo has learned to tackle him - low and hard - I don't know, but I've seen a couple of wingers stop him recently.

                Seriously though you have a point - but we never tend to appreciate the things within easy reach do we? I mean I really enjoyed Australia as a visitor, I loved Canada too - and whilst I like France (unusual for a Pom I can assure you) I would take either of the above before it anyday.
                You Brits are a weird mob. I was staying with friends in Gloucestershire a few years ago - she's Australian, he's a Brit - and they had friends who had never been to Oxford. About an hour's drive away. And no one anywhere there believed I'd driven from Scarborough down to Wales in a day. Maybe we're just used to long distances.
                " ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
                "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.

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                • #143
                  Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt


                  So do the refs'.

                  And damn if the Tri-Series in OZ recently wasn't some of the best sport I've ever seen! I''l take that over endless Super 12 matches and overhyped ABS games anyday. The sheer amount of advertising appearing on rugby matches televised in NZ is getting really old, really fast. Although, when I was staying at MT. Ruapehu a few weekends ago the Sydney/Canberra game did mean we all got bored enough to drink far more than usual.. The aim was a pint of Ruapehu Draught (shudder) every five minutes. I made every ten. It made the game almost exciting.
                  Do you get the S12 games live from here?
                  " ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
                  "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.

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                  • #144
                    Whether it's that the oppo has learned to tackle him - low and hard - I don't know, but I've seen a couple of wingers stop him recently.
                    Now that is interesting - I shall watch his Barbarians outings with great interest then.

                    You Brits are a weird mob
                    There's no denying that

                    and they had friends who had never been to Oxford. About an hour's drive away
                    Ah well you see no-one form the south west would want to go to the thames valley - I means that is practically London and all that goes with it.

                    And no one anywhere there believed I'd driven from Scarborough down to Wales in a day
                    Actually it's more likely no one could believe you would want to leave Scarborough for Wales at all.

                    Actually I feel sorry for you - moving from Yorkshire accents around you to Glaws accents in a single day and then straying into Taff accent land - nightmare!
                    It is better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt

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                    • #145
                      Originally posted by finbar


                      M-hm. Protesteth a bit too loudly, methinks. It was your later post - the one about "When in Rome ... " - that gave you away.
                      ahhh...why are you replying to the same thing twice?
                      ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
                      ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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                      • #146
                        Originally posted by finbar


                        Mrs finbar is slowly but surely realising that rugby is something pretty important. Once I point out to her which team is which - and, in the case of the South African S12 teams, where they're actually from, which, given their teams' names, takes quite some explaining - she can follow the basics. I must realise, though, that trying to explain to her the various refs' interpretations at the breakdown is a no-no. Her eyes glaze over. Well, mine do, too, actually.
                        Yeah, my wife has been getting to know some of the NZ players pretty well, especially the good-looking ones.
                        I have explained most of the rules to her, but the breakdown is a tricky one. I just tell her to look to see where the ball comes out of the pile of bodies.
                        She was never into watching sports of any kind until I showed her rugby, and considering the quality of american sports its no wonder.
                        ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
                        ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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                        • #147
                          Re dredging up old quotes:

                          My bitterness knows no bounds.
                          " ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
                          "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.

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                          • #148
                            Originally posted by Havak


                            A wild stab here - she is American right?
                            Yep! No wonder she wasnt interested in sports till I showed her rugby.

                            American football is utter crap, and baseball is
                            ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
                            ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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                            • #149
                              Originally posted by finbar
                              My bitterness knows no bounds.


                              ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
                              ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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                              • #150
                                Originally posted by Caligastia


                                Yep! No wonder she wasnt interested in sports till I showed her rugby.

                                American football is utter crap, and baseball is
                                You're right about American football. How they could take a great game like rugby and destroy it as they have is - well, with great respect to your missus, typically American. And baseball? With all that music and crap they go on with whenever the action stops for a millisecond - well, again with great respect to your missus, we know Americans have short attention spans, but that's ridiculous.
                                " ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
                                "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.

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