French Bias attacks mount

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by The Vagabond
"In nature"? Watch it, Imran.

Well, that is where it came from...

[Roland]

"Hard news is that stuff generally found on the pages other than op-ed... "

And there is still plenty of room for manipulation through selection, presentation and context.

But I don't think most US media are so much biased rather than just crap.

Just have to look at the CNN frontpage:

"SECTION HIGHLIGHTS:
POLITICS: Stripper-turned-mayor faces recall"

???
Has to be THE burning issue in "politics", which supposedly means "US domestic politics" ?

[ZoboZeWarrior]

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Be back on subject.

Actually we have no information about who did those destructions.

You will not find no newspaper (I mean serious ones) which try to justify such acts. If they want to protest against Israel they can go in Ramala and protests against soldiers or they can go in street and organize a demonstration.

We cannot actually say if such act are planned, organised by only one group or several independent groups, we don't know too what is the real purpose of such attacks :
- protestation against Israel (stupid & useless).
- pure anti-semitism.
- a plan to fire hatred between Arab 'community' and Jews ?

I fear many more attacks against Jews shrines have to be expected. Personnaly I suspect extrem-right movement (anti-Arabs and some anti-semits) to have started the acts of destructions. They don't care about Israel, but they want to increase ciolance in street to promote their fascist policy.

Some evidences are here :

Such acts occured in conjonction with the suddent raise of conflict in Palestin and the starting of our Presidential campaign. This is not a pure chance.

They were already involved in the past in "false" arabs terrorist acts (by putting true bombs in Paris). And promoting fear is always the natural job of fascist groups.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Felch: We are saying it is hypocritical for Americans to condemn Palestinian suicide bombings in light of our history.

An astoundingly ignorant concept. I hit my little brother when I was a kid, I suppose it's the apex of hypocrisy for me to denounce violence today.

You act as though we are not individuals but simply cells of the organism of state. Americans are not allowed to criticize violence (or more accurately to be taken seriously when they do) whatever their opinion was about their own history simply because they are Americans. This is right out of the Ethnic Studies Department, where racism is only racism when it's perpetuated by whites. What a load of manure.

[Drake Tungsten]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
I hardly read op-ed, buddy. I'm commenting on the regular news with the subtle bias. The pro-Israel bias is very obvious to posters from Europe or Aussie-land (and I mean NON-OP-ED).

Is it an American pro-Israel bias or an American lack of a pro-Palestinian bias? And how the hell can one tell the difference? The news I see seems pretty balanced to me, but I'm sure you'll find a way to claim that I'm wrong...

[Imran Siddiqui]

Americans are not allowed to criticize violence (or more accurately to be taken seriously when they do) whatever their opinion was about their own history simply because they are Americans.

Exactly... they shouldn't be taken seriously, because they support things we've done in our history that have been just as bad, if not worse than what the Pals are doing (the atomic bomb being dropped comes to mind).

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Ask those that are being oppressed if it is wrong. IIRC, one of the Israelis here once posted if they were a Palestinian they'd probably sponser terrorism as well. When you are treated like dirt, it stops being wrong.

Ask the ignorant filthy child soldier who has only known deprivation, propoganda, war and hate for his opinion on what constitutes inhumanity. The answer will be either nothing or everything, neither of which helps us. We don't need the moral advice of people who are mired in a combat to the death at the lowest level of human moral / psychological / spiritual development unless that is what we aspire to as well. You sound like a liberal today Imran, and I mean that in the worst possible way.

Killing innocent people never stops being wrong. Being numb to the moral repulsiveness of the action doesn't change it's inherent evil. We don't let people walk away from murder charges because they had a bad life previously, and we can't excuse these murderers because they have been denied land that they never lived on and used by the Arab world as sacrificial lambs for the sake of Arab unity and the stability of a dozen repressive regimes. We can understand without surrendering our right to have an opinion on a matter which ultimately applies to our own right to life as well.

[Drake Tungsten]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Exactly... they shouldn't be taken seriously, because they support things we've done in our history that have been just as bad, if not worse than what the Pals are doing (the atomic bomb being dropped comes to mind).

Are you serious? Using that logic, no one in the world is able to criticize anything anyone else does. Every country in the world has horrible acts in its past that would preclude them from passing judgement, if we use your idiotic standard. Also, how can you hold Americans today responsible for historical acts that they have no control of? You're saying that I can't call terrorism bad because my grandfather's generation dropped the atom bomb? I know you're desperate for a way to justify Palestinian terrorism, but this is just absurd...

[Gatekeeper]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

I'm just *positive* they can carry real news better than any mainstream American paper, right?

You know there is this big continent... yah.. meet Europe.. and over here... yes, that's Australia.

I believe the part of the world I was talking about — which you left out of my quote — was in regards to the "news"papers that are government- and religious-sponsored founts of "information" in the likes of Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and whatnot. So what's your point of including geopolitical and geographical data outside that area, Imran? You were/are whining and moaning about bias in the U.S. media ... heck, I thought I'd do you a favor and point you in the direction of the "news" coverage you must truly want since America's big, bad media are soooooo pro-Israel.

Imran, you're talking to one of the people who gets the stories directly from our frontline people on the ground across the world's hot spots. Hard news, Imran, not that stuff you and some others seem to equate as representative of the media: op-ed.

I'm talking headlines and stories on the front page (and beyond). They ain't op-ed, and they definetly back Israel more than any other Western source I've seen.

Judging from your contributions on this thread so far, Imran, I can only take your rants and raves in regards to the media and Israel with this:

I hardly read op-ed, buddy. I'm commenting on the regular news with the subtle bias. The pro-Israel bias is very obvious to posters from Europe or Aussie-land (and I mean NON-OP-ED).

Well, gee gosh golly whillikers, Imran! Just like the pro-Palestinian bias is soooo evident in European media to non-Europeans, eh? People want to see things, Imran, and they will go digging to great, great depths in order to find what they want to see. You wanted to see a pro-Israel bias in the hard news pages, Imran, well you found it! Oh, look! Jim Bob over there wants to find the pro-liberal bias in American papers! He found it! Hey! John Q. Public wanted to find the right-wing corporate control of the American media! He found it on Page A7!!!!

AUGH!!!

Gatekeeper

(P.S. Roland ... I share your curiosity in regards to the stripper mayor. That was "top news" because this is a case where "entertainment" journalists got their way and put up something that would obviously draw some interest. It's not easy to say this, but there are people out there who really don't care for world events, even if it means their son or daughter might be the next ones shipped out to some hotspot somewhere.)

[Eli]

Another anti-semitic attack in Antwerp. Molotovs were thrown on a Synagogue.

[ZoboZeWarrior]

Please Eli, indicate to non-european reader where Antwerp is :
Belgium.

The thread concern initialy France : "French Bias attacks mount".

[ZoboZeWarrior]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov

I think Israeli intelligence has credence over... you.

Yeah, they are far more aware with no doubt at all.

But don't expect that any intelligence services will tell (all) the true to the people of there country, or they should no longer be called intelligent service !

[Bereta_Eder]

I'm sorry but I was watching this movie: "Mississippi Burning" and I watched the mistreatment of the black population. Their houses burned up, theiw women raped, little children being beaten up.

And all these things were done by the organized societty there. Not by some "terrorists" or extremists.

The whole society there was KKK or even if it wasn't it had almost the same feelings as KKK.

Now I don't know what Moneypenny will say about that but if the black people revolted under this situation would you blame them?

I know I wouldn't.

So I see two things:

The blacks of Mississippi are the Palestinians of Israel. The only difference is that they are being killed and expelled in an organized manner.

And two: This incident with the jewish person being beaten up is serious and should be codnemned and should be looked into and the responsibles should be throwned to jail. But it is a secluded incident.
It is not like Mississippi where the whole society was KKK.

Now I know this was how things were before.
But IMO it is not correct to label Europe anti-semite just because of that incident.

And being against Israel's policies doesn't mean being anti-semite. It means being anti-nazi

[DinoDoc]

You're trying to get me banned, aren't you paiktis?

[Bereta_Eder]

Why are you refusing your past (and maybe present?)

By facing up to the attricities of your ancestors you free yourself.
Unless of course you're KKK too