French Bias attacks mount

[Sirotnikov]

Hussein murdered a disloyal border area during a vicious war.

Does that mean you approve of the action?
Relatively it was justified.... no?

[chequita guevara]

You wanna keep putting words in my mouth, kid?

[Sceptor107]

Nobody likes mr yassir! Heck even the arabs. Didnt they kick his arse out of jordan, syria, lebanon, and eygpt? Well I think I am write. no wait. I know I am

[chequita guevara]

The Arab countries wanted Arafat on a leash, to trot out as a propaganda club to hit Israel with. Problem is, he had his own agenda. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with the the PLO trying to topple the King of Jordan. The world needs less Kings.

[Sirotnikov]

Yasser terrorized Jordan so he was kicked out in 1970.

Then he terrorized Lebanon and was kicked out by Israel in 1982.

Now he's about to get the boot again.


Che, I asked a question. Using moral relativism, you could claim Saddam was moral.

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Personally, I don't see anything wrong with the the PLO trying to topple the King of Jordan. The world needs less Kings.

Yeah, Authoritarian Militaristic Dictators are sooo much better

notice Arafat called him self "General Yassir Arafat".

[The Vagabond]

Assuming that the Palestinians feel oppressed and desperate, what options do they really have?

As for Europe condemning Israel, at least I am glad they are self-consistent. This shows that, when they condemn Russia for Chechnya, they follow some principles rather than simply anti-Russian sentiments.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by The Vagabond
Assuming that the Palestinians feel oppressed and desperate, what options do they really have?

Attack the IDF as opposed to killing children.

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by The Vagabond
Assuming that the Palestinians feel oppressed and desperate, what options do they really have?

As for Europe condemning Israel, at least I am glad they are self-consistent. This shows that, when they condemn Russia for Chechnya, they follow some principles rather than simply anti-Russian sentiments.

Privet brat

Hochesh dam tebye saiti potchitat pro israil?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Sharon has 60% + approval rate, which is slightly lower than the 80% he was used to.

Last numbers were 45% and falling.

Using moral relativism, you could claim Saddam was moral.

But that isn't what che was claiming. His morals deal with the weaker and more powerful, and there are different moralities for the stronger and weaker.

I have a (slightly) different view. My view is morals are created by the powerful and forced on the weak, but everyone has a different morality. Yes, I'm a moral relativist.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
Che, I asked a question. Using moral relativism, you could claim Saddam was moral.

One could make the claim, but thay'd have to back it up with evidence supporting their point. It would be up to you to decide whether or not that's a valid claim.

Some believe that moral relativism automatically leads to being unable to make judgements. I disagree. I believe that morals are relative, but I also belive that my morals are superior. Therefore, I have no qualms about passing judgement on other's morals.

Frankly, morals must be relative, since they do not exist independently of human beings. It is a human value system, wedded to a particular society, place, time, mode of existence, etc. That doesn't make it right or wrong. But my own moral system says I can judge others, and that's fine. Other's have moral systems that say they can't judge others, and that's just an excuse for inaction in the face of human suffering. (See how it works )

I don't think it's wrong to kill Jews, I think it's wrong to kill people. However, under certain situations, it may become necessary to kill people, and if some of them happen to be Jews, well, they die, unless they kill me first.

Personally, I would try a different apporach. Given the complete military imbalance, the only viable approach to combatting Israel would be a non-violent one. That doesn't mean I don't understand why violence is used, nor does it in any way justify the brutality that Israel directs against the Palestinians. Furthermore, despite attacks against civilians by the other side, Israel is the primary agressor in the situation, and therefore morally, and legally, the side that is in the wrong.

[The Vagabond]

The only difference between a terrorist killing innocent civilians and a pilot dropping a bomb on the same innocent civilians is the level of personification. Unlike the pilot, the terrorist can look in the eyes of his potential victims.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
But that isn't what che was claiming. His morals deal with the weaker and more powerful, and there are different moralities for the stronger and weaker.

I have a (slightly) different view. My view is morals are created by the powerful and forced on the weak, but everyone has a different morality. Yes, I'm a moral relativist.

Well put.

[The Vagabond]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
Privet brat

Hochesh dam tebye saiti potchitat pro israil?

Davay

[Imran Siddiqui]

Che, if we can agree... why can't those bozos in the Mid East?