French Bias attacks mount

[Chris 62]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


They don't take it in the US. While Chris claims that the US media is ignoring the attacks in Jewish temples and Jews in Europe, I've seen and heard far more news about that then about the executed Palestinian policemen or the dead priest. You cannot get reliable news about what Israel is doing in the American media, only about what the Palestinians have done. It paints an exceedingly one sided picture. There are a number of reasons why this is so, which I shan't go into, but it's not because of Jewish control of the media.

Nice try che, but I was referring to western press ignoring anti-semitism in Europe, others turned it into another ME rehash.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Chris 62
I'll pretend you didn't say that, especially the last two lines.

Sure you don't want to rethink that, or must we drag up every one Fatty's follies, and we can start with the arms shipments....

Were the arms shipments illegal under International law? I'm afraid not, since a colonial people are legally allowed to engage in warfare to expell their occupiers.

Try again, Chris. I know you are capable of much better arguments than this. I know if you really try, you can shut me up for a few hours while I prepare a response.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Chris 62
Nice try che, but I was referring to western press ignoring anti-semitism in Europe, others turned it into another ME rehash.

Actually, I think you did first.

[Chris 62]

Too tired to look up all of Ringo's transgressions right now, but for the record, he agreed not to allow certain weapons, and was caught red handed.

Oh, it was Horse that started the rehash of ME, doing his best troll attempts, which were incredibly lame, but that's another story.

Night, and try not to kill each other in my absence.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Morals don't change when one's status in life changes, Imran.

In the real world they do. Human psychology changes under oppression. There are actual physical changes in the brain of a person raised in a violent abusive system as opposed to one who is raised in a safe environment.

[Alexander's Horse]

Night Chris - enjoyed shooting you down in flames (again).

Come back tommorrow for some more punishment.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Chris 62
Oh, it was Horse that started the rehash of ME, doing his best troll attempts, which were incredibly lame, but that's another story.

D'oh, you're right.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
In the real world they do.

I don't agree with the notion of moral relativism, che. It leads to people reasonablly belieiving that Arafat, Hitler, and Saddam Hussein are genuine humanitarians.

[Sirotnikov]

[b]Only one planes was shot down by Yugoslavia (a stealth plane, ironcically enough). Only an handful of planes were shot down by the Iraqis. [/q]
That's their incompetance.

Surely you're not suggesting that planes are immoral and terrorist?

As I understand it, you are invading their city. They are fighting back. Anyways, it was the Israelis who killed a Catholic priest and injured some nuns, not the Palestinians.

I never heard about it, and Dino said it never happenned, so I believe him.

We're invading their city, because we want to capture people who are brutally murdering Israeli civilians.
If there would be no murderers, we wouldn't invade their city.

And finally - in the case we hurt someone, we didn't target them which is all that matters.

Also, terrorists often dress up to protect themselves. They dressed up as women and fled (or suddenly attacked) in the last incursion. They did the same in Deir Yassin.

I made no claim of morality.

Your post was full of morality, pretaining our actions are somehow lower or equal to the terrorists.

That's why Israeli soldiers lure Palestinian children out to throw stones?

By offering them free candy if they come?

That reminds me when Arafat claimed that the Mossad puts naked Israeli female soldiers at road blocks, and then when all the males come and see, the naked Israeli draws a gun (where from? ) and shoots them.

And reminds me of another thing which is really luring: that PFLP leader we took out using a heli last year, Yusuf something, planned to put explosives into teddybears and spread them near schools. A PFLP prisoner was kind enough to warn. It's not new, since the PFLP already once placed a bomb near a school gate, which luckaly exploded some 10 minutes before the day ended.

hey don't take it in the US. While Chris claims that the US media is ignoring the attacks in Jewish temples and Jews in Europe, I've seen and heard far more news about that then about the executed Palestinian policemen or the dead priest.

I think that's because half of your "news" are made up and posted by radicals on indymedia or similar.

I've read there about mossad planning 9/11, and about Jews making underground crematoriums for arabs

You cannot get reliable news about what Israel is doing in the American media, only about what the Palestinians have done.

I live here, and I get credible media about what the Palestinains have done, and let me tell you brother, you hear about 20% of the attacks.

It paints an exceedingly one sided picture. There are a number of reasons why this is so, which I shan't go into, but it's not because of Jewish control of the media.

No doubt, it's because of Jewish lobbying

[Sirotnikov]

Ask those that are being oppressed if it is wrong. IIRC, one of the Israelis here once posted if they were a Palestinian they'd probably sponser terrorism as well. When you are treated like dirt, it stops being wrong.

I think you perhaps mean me, and then you misread.
I told you I'd be pissed.

But never matter how much I am angry, never will I support the killing of innocent civilians.

Night Chris - enjoyed shooting you down in flames (again).

Come back tommorrow for some more punishment.

He thinks he won!

Quick, don't let him out of the room with the padded walls!
Make sure he has a padded keyboard as well, so we could amuse ourselves by raeding his posts

In the real world they do. Human psychology changes under oppression. There are actual physical changes in the brain of a person raised in a violent abusive system as opposed to one who is raised in a safe environment.

Fine.
Then it's OK for me to go and murder scores of innocent palestinains. Hey, I'm angry! They almost killed my math teacher and killed her daughter.
...
NOT.

You are biased.

Moral relativism is always biased because then you allow your bias to tell you what's ok.

Were the arms shipments illegal under International law? I'm afraid not, since a colonial people are legally allowed to engage in warfare to expell their occupiers.

Arafat is bound by the Oslo Agreement.
If he can break it - no reason for us to keep it.

And to remind you the thing was ordered during camp david - before the intifada.

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by Felch X
I have no idea where you are getting this from, but I haven't heard it anywhere, and it certainly doesn't make very much sense. The Israelis take a lot of heat whenever they shoot rioters, and it's simply inconceivable that they would try to make their jobs harder by luring out children who they know they aren't supposed to hit.

Shh... don't disturb his propoganda surge

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
I don't agree with the notion of moral relativism, che. It leads to people reasonablly belieiving that Arafat, Hitler, and Saddam Hussein are genuine humanitarians.

None of the three are moral equivalents. Htiler murdered out of hatred and to help his backers make money. Hussein murdered a disloyal border area during a vicious war. Afarat murdered in trying to end the occupation of his homeland. The first two held positions of power, Arafat does not.

Morals are relative, or do you believe George Washington was a terrorist? Morals are made by people. They are not objective, they have no permenence. That's why I can say my morals are superior.

[Sirotnikov]

No one posts???

I win

Goodbye.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Afarat murdered in trying to end the occupation of his homeland.

One might ask how the death of women and children, who don't happne to be IDF officers, furthers his goals.

Morals are relative,

I don't really want to get into a debate on the subject. I'll just leave you with this essay that quite clearly lays out the reasons I reject moral relativism: http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~owl/objectivism.html

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
None of the three are moral equivalents. Htiler murdered out of hatred and to help his backers make money. Hussein murdered a disloyal border area during a vicious war. Afarat murdered in trying to end the occupation of his homeland. The first two held positions of power, Arafat does not.

You think Arafat does not.

Israeli intelligence proves different story.

I think Israeli intelligence has credence over... you.

Furthermore, I thought Arafat promised in 1993 to cease using terror. If that is no longer abiding, our capturing of him is justified

And another point - according to your moral relativism - is a criminal free to shoot at cops while trying to avoid arrest? After all he is not in the position of power

Morals are relative, or do you believe George Washington was a terrorist? Morals are made by people. They are not objective, they have no permenence. That's why I can say my morals are superior.

Sure

Murdering jews on purpose is always superiour