French Bias attacks mount

[Chris 62]

Notice how the usual Israel bashers have ignored this thread?

Speaks volumes, doesn't it.

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by Chris 62
Have to ask:

What right do Pals have to land they never owned, and never worked?

Your breathtaking ignorance doesn't surprise me - but anyway. Palestinians have legal title documents to land dating back to the Ottoman Empire and the British mandate. There are Palestinians who've been sitting in refugee camps in places like Lebanon since 1948 holding their title documents to land in Israel. They were forced out at the point of a bayonet. The Israelis Government doesn't recognise these title deeds and just gave the land to Jewish settlers. That's the level your "friend" is on.

[mactbone]

I have to ask... if I was French, and had land in Louisiana when it was sold, would I still own the land?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
That's the level your "friend" is on.

Should we take a look at the level your "friend" is on?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse


Your breathtaking ignorance doesn't surprise me - but anyway. Palestinians have legal title documents to land dating back to the Ottoman Empire and the British mandate. There are Palestinians who've been sitting in refugee camps in places like Lebanon since 1948 holding their title documents to land in Israel. They were forced out at the point of a bayonet. The Israelis Government doesn't recognise these title deeds and just gave the land to Jewish settlers. That's the level your "friend" is on.

For the most part houses abandoned by arabs who fled Israel in 1948 was given to Jewish refugees entering Israel, many (most?) of them coming from Arab countries, Yemen, Iraq, Morocco, Syria, Egypt. Do you consider them "settlers"
Post 1967 west bank settlements have been established on state lands, which were public property under Ottomans and British. BTW Palestinian refugees were NOT forced out at points of bayonets.

Thank you for the opportunity to clear up this confusion.

LOTM

[Chris 62]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
Your breathtaking ignorance doesn't surprise me - but anyway. Palestinians have legal title documents to land dating back to the Ottoman Empire and the British mandate. There are Palestinians who've been sitting in refugee camps in places like Lebanon since 1948 holding their title documents to land in Israel. They were forced out at the point of a bayonet. The Israelis Government doesn't recognise these title deeds and just gave the land to Jewish settlers. That's the level your "friend" is on.

Nice try, but the ignorence is on your part old boy.

The Ottomans didn't grant land titles (look it up, but I already know), and your commonwealth boys washed their hands of Palestine when they beat feet in 47, so couldn't issue anything but weapons to the Pals.

Your "forced out" friends, you neglect to mention, left voluntarily, under arab league promisses that the Jews would be driven into the sea in 48, and that they could then come and have it all.

You'll have to do better, old boy.

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


For the most part houses abandoned by arabs who fled Israel in 1948 was given to Jewish refugees entering Israel, many (most?) of them coming from Arab countries, Yemen, Iraq, Morocco, Syria, Egypt. Do you consider them "settlers"
Post 1967 west bank settlements have been established on state lands, which were public property under Ottomans and British. BTW Palestinian refugees were NOT forced out at points of bayonets.

Thank you for the opportunity to clear up this confusion.

LOTM

No, I consider them thieves - the real owners have been living in refugee camps for decades - and Palestinians were forced out of towns now part of Israel at the point of a bayonet. This is especially true of refugees from 1948 who ended up in Lebanon.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Chris 62
Your "forced out" friends, you neglect to mention, left voluntarily, under arab league promisses that the Jews would be driven into the sea in 48, and that they could then come and have it all.

In some cases that is true, in other cases it most definately is not.

[Chris 62]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
No, I consider them thieves

Without a shred of truth to your claim...

- the real owners have been living in refugee camps for decades -

No, they have been building up their homes, and reclaiming a deseert...

and Palestinians were forced out of towns now part of Israel at the point of a bayonet.

Ha ha, the old propaganda still lives..

This is especially true of refugees from 1948 who ended up in Lebanon.

Let's talk about them.
They were expelled from a number of Muslim states over the years...
Why?

[Alexander's Horse]

Hey Chris why don't you do some research before talking crap - I HAVE SEEN PALESTINIANS HOLDING THEIR TITLE DEEDS.

And here is an artcile which set out what happened in terms of depopulation.

http://www.palestinianrefugees.com/webpages/books/english/palrights-eng.htm

[mactbone]

So, does anyone know what happens to individual owners of land when their government sells, or otherwise loses the land?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
Hey Chris why don't you do some research before talking crap - I HAVE SEEN PALESTINIANS HOLDING THEIR TITLE DEEDS.

And here is an artcile which set out what happened in terms of depopulation.

http://www.palestinianrefugees.com/w...rights-eng.htm

They fled in the midst of war - the issue of compensation for specific properties can properly be addressed in a peace settlement - which will have to also deal with the claims of Jews who left behind property in arab states they fled. A peace settlement would be a good thing - but it cannot be achieved if the palestinian people commit themselves to mass murder.


LOTM

[Chris 62]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
Hey Chris why don't you do some research before talking crap - I HAVE SEEN PALESTINIANS HOLDING THEIR TITLE DEEDS.

I could wave a deed to the Sydny opera house, it doesn't make it leagal.

And here is an artcile which set out what happened in terms of depopulation.

The ol 8 second google serach, eh?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Israel is fully to blame because of its illegal and brutal occupation of Palestinian lands. They are reaping what they sow.

The suicide bombers are a symptom of years and years of maltreatment, injustice and occupation. I think the suicide bombing are wrong but the Palestinians have been pushed to it by frustration at Israeli intransigence.

Hear, Hear Horsie!

I love hearing how Israel is totally innocent in this while they actively oppress Palestinian areas. Kind of like saying the Brits were innocent of the whole colonialism thing that don't know why those damned Boers were raising such a stink .

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by MacTBone
So, does anyone know what happens to individual owners of land when their government sells, or otherwise loses the land?

Its generally addressed in the sale agreement, or in the case of war, in the peace treat that ended the war. Thus IIUC the US recognized the claims of Mexicans living in the Southwest, and this was established in the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo which ended the war. In the cases of Loyalist claims the US under the treaty of Ghent was not required to make compensation, IIRC.
A peace treaty between PA and Israel would deal with property claims. The problem is that this isnt about property claims - its about an attempt to force Israel to accept hundreds of thousands of residents who are dedicated to the destruction of the state.

LOTM