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That's what they would had if they were free either in Africa, or freed much sooner than 1865. With economic freedom and with equality, they would have had the opportunity to attain some limited amount of security through accumulated capital much as whites have done in the middle class (not working class).
No group of people ever had it better because of slavery. That is just bulls**t.
Do they not have liberty and freedom?
Do you know they STILL have slavery in africa?
If they were still in Africa,Do you think that they would have accumulated capital as much as whites have done in the middle class?
So, reparations will make everything better. Followed by the last sentence in your post.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust!
Originally posted by MrFun
WhiteElephants -- maybe if Africa was not drained part of its manpower resources by Arab, European, and American slave traders, Africa would be in a better condition today.
But that is speculation.
And maybe if America wasn't drained part of its manpower and resources by Britain it would be in better condition today. We can go on like this forever and it doesn't change the facts.
Still no one has answered wether or not people like Oprah Winfrey (who may or may not have had ancestors who are slaves) are entitled to these reperations given the sqaulor she most certainly must live in. Isn't this really about poor people wanting money from rich people then?
Still no one has answered wether or not people like Oprah Winfrey (who may or may not have had ancestors who are slaves) are entitled to these reperations given the sqaulor she most certainly must live in. Isn't this really about poor people wanting money from rich people then?
If she could prove that she were the direct descendant of slaves who were used by these corporations, then yes, in my opinion, she is entitled to compensation.
This isn't really about poor people wanting money from rich people. This is about people who don't have a fair stake in this country trying to level the playing field.
DD: It doesn't really apply in the US legal system, no. But it certainly applies morally. And any company that tries to use that argument in court is going to have the biggest PR nightmare any of us have ever seen.
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If they were still in Africa,Do you think that they would have accumulated capital as much as whites have done in the middle class?
So, reparations will make everything better. Followed by the last sentence in your post.
Strictly speaking, blacks--for the most part--still do not have as much liberty or freedom as whites do in this country. Things are changing for the better, but there are still major setbacks at times (such as the purging of the voter rolls in Florida before the 2000 election).
We can't do a whole lot about the slavery in Africa today. But we can try to put our own house in order, try to make good on all the dirty **** in our past.
No one is going to make these companies go bankrupt. If they go bankrupt--no money. They're just going to try to get what they can.
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"The subject of onanism is inexhaustable." --Sigmund Freud
Originally posted by Guynemer
This isn't really about poor people wanting money from rich people. This is about people who don't have a fair stake in this country trying to level the playing field.
I realize that's what you're trying to make it out to be, but evidence suggests otherwise. There are plenty of people who don't have a "fair stake" in this country, do you propose we just start handing out money to them as well? What you're suggesting by "leveling the playing field" is akin to socialism or communism, which is probably why no one is buying it. I also see no evidence that giving people money is going to "level the playing field" at all. And how. may I ask, does giving money to Oprah Winfrey help achieve these ends?
Ha!
Those people who want "reparations" are merely slacking, lazy racist pigs who want money for their "psychological damages"
ugh.
Let the past be the past- It means nothing- the sooner people disassociate themselves from the past and work for the future, the sooner they will "get out of their rut"
and what is this "Union of races" I find that the biggest BS of anything that ever existed. The sooner people don't affiliate themselves with races, the sooner people will be people.
Some of the worst things that ever were done were done in the name of "race relations."
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My prediction is that in a hundred years the "white male protestant" will be trodden upon by all others because in the past "he" oppressed them.
The sooner you realize that each person is an individual, a number, and not a "race" then the sooner you realize that each person makes his own choices in his own time.
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BTW, I was under the impression that ex post facto laws were illegal. If so, how do these lawsuits get over that hurdle?
According to Calder v. Bull the prohibition against ex post facto laws only applies to criminal laws (not civil laws).
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Originally posted by Guynemer
DD: It doesn't really apply in the US legal system, no. But it certainly applies morally. And any company that tries to use that argument in court is going to have the biggest PR nightmare any of us have ever seen.
I'm sorry but any lawyer that doesn't bring up the fact that this suit apparently has no legal leg to stand on doesn't deserve to retain his/her license.
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Ha!
Those people who want "reparations" are merely slacking, lazy racist pigs who want money for their "psychological damages"
ugh.
Bull****. Guynemer's proposal isn't unreasonable.
"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Originally posted by Ramo
According to Calder v. Bull the prohibition against ex post facto laws only applies to criminal laws (not civil laws).
Fletcher v. Peck looks to be the current law, Ramo.
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We owe nothing to the descendants of people who died-
We owe nothing to the descendants of blacks
we owe nothing to the descendants of Amerindians.
Do what you can for the living ones who WERE exploited... But since they are humans, they have the same chances as everyone else. And have had the same chances... If you are going to sue, then sue the cities with segregation!
People are still alive who were persecuted against in that way- don't sue people who were merely exploiting property legally. (And NO I do not consider blacks "Property"; but at the time they were considered as such. You can blame them for exploiting blacks- but considering that it was LEGAL AT THE TIME; they should not be able to sue. If antying they should sue the government which made Slavery legal. But not the comapnies.)
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-Bokonon
I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio
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