Slavery reparations

[David Floyd]

Maybe Southerners require like 12 hours of sleep just to retain normal thinking skills while Yanks require only 8 hours of sleep, and they're still super-intelligent.

Yeah and maybe our dreams are just about whipping the **** out of Yankees and ****ing beautiful women, so I'll go ahead and take the extra 4 hours

[Berzerker]

Ramo -

"The sentiment that ex post facto laws are against natural right is so strong in the United States that few, if any, of the State constitutions have failed to proscribe them. The Federal Constitution indeed interdicts them in criminal cases only; but they are equally unjust in civil as in criminal cases, and the omission of a caution which would have been right, does not justify the doing what is wrong." --Thomas Jefferson to Isaac McPherson, 1813. ME 13:327

No bill of attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed. -- The United States Constitution

Section 10. No state shall enter into any treaty, alliance, or confederation; grant letters of marque and reprisal; coin money; emit bills of credit; make anything but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts; pass any bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law impairing the obligation of contracts, or grant any title of nobility. -- The United States Constitution

Looks like I stand corrected, unless of course Jefferson didn't know what he was talking about. But I don't know where he got the "criminal cases only" since it doesn't appear in the Constitution.

[Sava]

I'm all for going after big corporations, but this is stupid. Pardon me, but this sounds like a bunch of poor pot smoking porch monkeys with nothing better to do than to blame other people for their own shortcomings in life.

My family came to the United States in 1958, not speaking a word of English. And they were able to succeed. Everyone has the same opprotunities, and those African Americans who feel that slavery 150 years ago is preventing them from succeeding are wrong. It's YOUR OWN LAZINESS THAT IS PREVENTING YOU.

Stop the pity party. Slavery happened, its over with, GET ON WITH YOUR DAMN LIVES AND WORK FOR A LIVING INSTEAD OF LOOKING FOR A HANDOUT!!!

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Sava
I'm all for going after big corporations, but this is stupid. Pardon me, but this sounds like a bunch of poor pot smoking porch monkeys with nothing better to do than to blame other people for their own shortcomings in life.

My family came to the United States in 1958, not speaking a word of English. And they were able to succeed. Everyone has the same opprotunities, and those African Americans who feel that slavery 150 years ago is preventing them from succeeding are wrong. It's YOUR OWN LAZINESS THAT IS PREVENTING YOU.

Stop the pity party. Slavery happened, its over with, GET ON WITH YOUR DAMN LIVES AND WORK FOR A LIVING INSTEAD OF LOOKING FOR A HANDOUT!!!

That is where you're wrong. Different groups of people do not have the same opportunities, because each group of people have their own unique history in the United States.

African-Americans have a much different history than many European immigrant families who arrived in the United States. Read your history.

And no, slavery reparations would not be an unfair handout for the legitimate descendants whose opportunities are still denied to them because of their people's history.

I would expect racists and white supremacists to use the word lazy or laziness as a lame excuse to argue against slavery reparations, not from you or other Apolyton members.

[Sava]

MrFun... I have studied history... but thank you for your concern.

The Catholics in the 14th and 15th centuries persecuted millions in the Inquisitions... should the church now be forced to pay reparations to the descendants?

These people are looking for a handout, plain and simple. All of my friends who are black agree with me. This isn't about doing whats right, its about a bunch of lazy asses wanting a handout.

Hard work creates success in America. I had many friends in high school who came from very poor families of all races. There was one constant. Regardless of what color they were, they were poor because they were lazy, or had other mitigating circumstances like single parenthood. Having said that:

NOT A SINGLE PERSON IN THE UNITED STATES IS POOR, IMPOVERISHED, OR OTHERWISE DISADVANTAGED BECAUSE OF SLAVERY.

I present one challenge to these people wanting handouts. PROVE IT.

PROVE THAT SLAVERY IS THE CAUSE OF YOUR PROBLEMS IN LIFE.

And MrFun... unless you can prove it, don't bother posting saying you disagree with me. You only make yourself look ignorant.

[Guynemer]

Originally posted by Sava
And MrFun... unless you can prove it, don't bother posting saying you disagree with me. You only make yourself look ignorant.

Frankly, Sava, you made yourself look ignorant with your "pot-smoking porch monkeys" remark. I still haven't decided whether or not its worth it to report you to the mods.

Using racial slurs do not, in any way, shape, or form, help your argument, child.

[Ramo]

Germany recognized the Geneva Convention, Ramo. They just didn't follow it.

I was referring to Hitler's final solution, actually.

Looks like I stand corrected, unless of course Jefferson didn't know what he was talking about.

What do you mean?

Jefferson didn't assert any federal prohibition against civil ex post facto laws.

As for his morality, I really couldn't care less. He was an opportunistic politician and his personal morality was quite a bit worse.

But I don't know where he got the "criminal cases only" since it doesn't appear in the Constitution.

From the aforementioned reasoning in Calder v. Bull, most likely.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Guynemer


Frankly, Sava, you made yourself look ignorant with your "pot-smoking porch monkeys" remark. I still haven't decided whether or not its worth it to report you to the mods.

Using racial slurs do not, in any way, shape, or form, help your argument, child.

LoL...
It wasn't a slur against the color of their skin, its a slur against what they are. The people asking for reparations are poor blacks. The kind that sit on their porches all day and smoke pot.

Not all black people are porch monkeys. And not all porch monkeys are black.

They won't get their money, so it doesn't matter regardless. I'm just calling it like it is. If you can't handle it, then go hide under your bed.

[DarkCloud]

Guynemeyer- I didnt see you respond to me- thus I will not repeat what I said, but will wish you to reference my post on page 3

I will also add this:

The Difference between the Jewish descendants having their heirlooms returned and these blacks stealing money from the companies is this:


For the Jews-
1.)That is family. This is what the family owed
2.) It is not reparations; they are receiving what is rightfully their families.

And once again. This was done in the time before slavery was outlawed, thus it should not be an issue since it was legal at the time.

People cannot create a law against smoking, then fine people who smoked once 10 years ago, then quit.

That Is what you are proposing.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Sava
MrFun... I have studied history... but thank you for your concern.

The Catholics in the 14th and 15th centuries persecuted millions in the Inquisitions... should the church now be forced to pay reparations to the descendants?

These people are looking for a handout, plain and simple. All of my friends who are black agree with me. This isn't about doing whats right, its about a bunch of lazy asses wanting a handout.

Hard work creates success in America. I had many friends in high school who came from very poor families of all races. There was one constant. Regardless of what color they were, they were poor because they were lazy, or had other mitigating circumstances like single parenthood. Having said that:

NOT A SINGLE PERSON IN THE UNITED STATES IS POOR, IMPOVERISHED, OR OTHERWISE DISADVANTAGED BECAUSE OF SLAVERY.

I present one challenge to these people wanting handouts. PROVE IT.

PROVE THAT SLAVERY IS THE CAUSE OF YOUR PROBLEMS IN LIFE.

And MrFun... unless you can prove it, don't bother posting saying you disagree with me. You only make yourself look ignorant.

Slavery prevented black families from accumulating any capital through working for wages or a salary over generations as working class and middle class white families have.
After slavery was abolished, segregation, job discrimination, and the institution of sharecropping continued denying black families from accumulating capital for their next generation to build upon. This type of discrimination was, in some ways, more severe than what white immigrant families suffered from. Ever hear of Jim Crow laws??

You see, since white families were never enslaved in the United States, they were able to work for wages (however terribly low they were), and that is why you have examples of how later generations of white families are better off, due to inter-generational accumulation of capital and then moving into the middle class or upper class.

This is how slavery has caused problems for the lives of the present generation of low class or working class African-Americans today.

I cannot believe you cannot see how slavery affects today's generation of black families.

[Guynemer]

Originally posted by Sava
They won't get their money, so it doesn't matter regardless. I'm just calling it like it is. If you can't handle it, then go hide under your bed.

You are a hate-filled, pathetic little man, or your "explanation" fools nobody.

[Guynemer]

Originally posted by DarkCloud
The Difference between the Jewish descendants having their heirlooms returned and these blacks stealing money from the companies is this:


For the Jews-
1.)That is family. This is what the family owed
2.) It is not reparations; they are receiving what is rightfully their families.

How is that any different from what I have proposed?

[Tuberski]

Okay let's say they get reparations.....1.4 TRILLION!?!?!?!?!?!?

[Guynemer]

Originally posted by Tuberski
Okay let's say they get reparations.....1.4 TRILLION!?!?!?!?!?!?

Well, they're asking for that much in the hopes of getting considerably less. You want an inch, you ask for a mile; that's the way the game is played in civil courts.

[Tuberski]

I thought I read somewhere 35 million african-americans, that's 40,000$ a piece. Fine, until someone else is born...do the reparations stop? Why should they? Why shouldn't they?