Slavery reparations

[Guynemer]

It's hard to pick yourself up by your bootstraps when you can't afford shoes, WE.

Look, all I'm saying is that if people can prove that they are the direct descendants of people who were slaves, and the work of those slaves enriched those corporations, then those companies should be made to pay those descendants.

Not every black person. Not only black people. Anyone who can prove that they came from those slaves. The closer the relation, the more money. The more ancestors who were the slaves in question, the more money. EDIT: I should state that I know this is not the basis of the lawsuit, or at least it doesn't appear so at this point. However, that is what *I* believe would be fair.

DD, as to the ex post facto laws... was it illegal under the Nazi regime for them to rob the Jews?

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by MrFun
Even though I'm white, it's too easy for many other whites to simply state that slavery reparations if full of crock.

The extreme bias of these white people is overwhelming because they have no idea how past enslavement, discrimination, segregation, and disfranchisement of past generations has compounded negative effects on the present generation in terms of opportunity to improve their lives.

And yet these are never explained are they?

Once again, even though you may be correct, I point out that they live better lives here than if slavery hadn't happened.

Do you argue this?

[Guynemer]

Originally posted by Tuberski

Once again, even though you may be correct, I point out that they live better lives here than if slavery hadn't happened.

Do you argue this?

No. But by the same token, don't they, for the most part, live worse lives than other people who came to the continent during the same period?

[orange]

Originally posted by Guynemer
No. But by the same token, don't they, for the most part, live worse lives than other people who came to the continent during the same period?

So fund the slums and urban areas. Improve education and healthcare, give the people without these things a better life...don't base it just on race. Indentured servants came over poor and their ancestors are poor. It's not about race or slavery, because no one alive today participated in the practice on either end!!!

[WhiteElephants]

Originally posted by Guynemer
It's hard to pick yourself up by your bootstraps when you can't afford shoes, WE.

I know plenty of white people (among other races) who can't afford shoes. The difference is I don't go around attributing it to events that happend over a century ago. Lets say for the sake of arguement that I am of Irish decent. Do I therefore have the right to sue any British company that profitted off the labor of my ancestors?

I think their lot in life has far more to do with segregation and discrimination than slavery and I can't think of any race that hasn't endured that in some shape or form.

As a resident of the U.S. I feel it is my responsibility to own up to the wrongs my country has done in the past and I feel that should apply to everyone here. What I don't feel is that some, or all, of us have a financial responsibility for the past.

Furthermore looking to the past is counterintuative in that these people should be looking to the future not dwelling on the past.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Tuberski


And yet these are never explained are they?

Once again, even though you may be correct, I point out that they live better lives here than if slavery hadn't happened.

Do you argue this?

Ever heard of liberty and freedom, Tuberski??

That's what they would had if they were free either in Africa, or freed much sooner than 1865. With economic freedom and with equality, they would have had the opportunity to attain some limited amount of security through accumulated capital much as whites have done in the middle class (not working class).

No group of people ever had it better because of slavery. That is just bulls**t.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Guynemer
It's hard to pick yourself up by your bootstraps when you can't afford shoes, WE.

Look, all I'm saying is that if people can prove that they are the direct descendants of people who were slaves, and the work of those slaves enriched those corporations, then those companies should be made to pay those descendants.

Not every black person. Not only black people. Anyone who can prove that they came from those slaves. The closer the relation, the more money. The more ancestors who were the slaves in question, the more money. EDIT: I should state that I know this is not the basis of the lawsuit, or at least it doesn't appear so at this point. However, that is what *I* believe would be fair.

DD, as to the ex post facto laws... was it illegal under the Nazi regime for them to rob the Jews?

Not that is a reperation plan that actually makes sense. Now only if black leaders were that smart .

A question I have is what are some of the companies that have benefit (just curious, not picking a fight or anything ).

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Guynemer
DD, as to the ex post facto laws... was it illegal under the Nazi regime for them to rob the Jews?

Of what relevence is that to the US legal system?

[David Floyd]

to slavery reperations - Jesse Jackson can **** off.

More later, it's dinnertime.

[Gatekeeper]

Do any of you really think those corporations being targeted for a $1.4 trillion shakedown would remain intact? HELL NO. They'd declare bankruptcy, get liquidated and large chunk of that damn $1.4 trillion obligation would land in Uncle Sam's lap. Gee, guess who'd have fork over the money. The goddamn American taxpayer.

It'd make the freaking $15 billion or so the good ole taxpayers had to fork over recently to the airline industry look like child's play.

Gatekeeper

[WhiteElephants]

Originally posted by MrFun
That's what they would had if they were free either in Africa, or freed much sooner than 1865.

I'd hardly call Africa the land of freedom and opportunity.

[MrFun]

WhiteElephants -- maybe if Africa was not drained part of its manpower resources by Arab, European, and American slave traders, Africa would be in a better condition today.

But that is speculation.

[loinburger]

I think WhiteElephants might be referring to the fact that most slaves that were shipped to the US were originally slaves in Africa.

[Jac de Molay]

IIRC, the African tribes themselves were just as complicit in the slave trade as their colonial "oppressors".

Dave

[ravagon]

You want Africa to have more manpower today?!
You're joking right?
Plenty of African states either practiced their own slavery or were not subjected to losing significant portions of their populace. These places today are in no better shape than other parts of the African continent that were "victims" of the slave trade.