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MarkL: Well, allies rely on each other. The US relies on Europe politically, if not always militarily.
Also, you haven't responded to the comments that Galileo is superior to the GPS we euros get to use.
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Nowadays, it's obvious the US is relying less and less on Europe politically, and is taking on a more unilateral approach. So it's only fair Europe is going to rely less on the US militarily.
Also, you haven't responded to the comments that Galileo is superior to the GPS we euros get to use.Quod Me Nutrit Me Destruit -
"This Euro systems appears to be more adaptable to consumer uses and may spur competetion for consumer applications."
How is it more adaptable? Is that adaptability worth anything? $3 billion+?
MarkL: I have responded throughout this thread regarding that. I asked the question of whether a 3.5 meter mean error now versus a 1 meter mean error in 2008 (or whatever it is--it seems to be whatever the writer wants it to be) is important for industry.
That question is still on the table.Last edited by DanS; March 20, 2002, 17:36.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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It is for the military. And right now, only the US military has a system that accurate. With Galileo, other militaries can use a system that's just as accurate.I asked the question of whether a 3.5 meter mean error now versus a 1 meter mean error in 2008 (or whatever it is--it seems to be whatever the writer wants it to be) is important for industry.Quod Me Nutrit Me DestruitComment
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why do you care what we do?
if you think it's a waste of money so what's it to you?
From what I see there's only one concern in the US and that is the Galileo won't be under US control.
So the real question is why is that? (or so your policy makers say).Comment
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"With Galileo, other militaries can use a system that's just as accurate."
1) Will it be just as accurate for military uses? The mean error for the military is probably about a foot.
2) Are other militaries precluded from using military GPS? The sources I have don't state either way.
Paiktis: I keep raising my objection, which is that it represents an unfair subsidy to European handset and equipment makers versus their Japanese and American couterparts. These subsidies reduce the overall incentives for companies to innovate in the market.Last edited by DanS; March 20, 2002, 18:05.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Airbus is subsidized. Hasn't stoped it from innovating.Originally posted by DanS
Paiktis: I keep raising my objection, which is that it represents an unfair subsidy to European handset and equipment makers versus their Japanese and American couterparts. These subsidies reduce the overall incentives for companies to innovate in the market.
Besides Galileo will create around 140.000 new jobs
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about unfair competition to american or japanese companies... come ooooown
Steel is a pretty free market after all and what about all those tons of european goods that are under 100% tarifs in the US?
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Paiktis: Much of the aerospace market is all screwed up by these subsidies. A vast wasteland of non-innovation and entrenched interests that rely on government handouts. That's the market I was keeping in mind as the case-in-point of what we should avoid.
Re tarrifs, most technology products from Europe are not subject to tarrifs. Philips does a booming business in the States, for instance. In another industry in which I am familiar, pesticides, European products are not subject to tarrifs.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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The biggest plane in human history will be constructed by the european subsidized Airbus in a few years. How's innovation killed?Originally posted by DanS
Paiktis: Much of the aerospace market is all screwed up by these subsidies. A vast wasteland of non-innovation and entrenched interests that rely on government handouts. That's the market I was keeping in mind as the case-in-point of what we should avoid.
yeah but plenty of other products are. Mainly food and luxury goods. That's about "unfair" subsidesRe tarrifs, most technology products from Europe are not subject to tarrifs. Philips does a booming business in the States, for instance. In another industry in which I am familiar, pesticides, European products are not subject to tarrifs. I mean you have a pretty much protectionist market in many areas. And mind you I'm not a proponent of ultra free markets.
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*cough* softwood lumber *cough*I mean you have a pretty much protectionist market in many areas12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
Stadtluft Macht Frei
Killing it is the new killing it
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Someone has decided to revive the Spruce Goose?Originally posted by paiktis22
The biggest plane in human history will be constructed by the european subsidized Airbus in a few years. How's innovation killed?
I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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eat it MoneypennyOriginally posted by DinoDoc
Someone has decided to revive the Spruce Goose?
The A3XX will be colossal. It will carry between 480 and 650 passengers on two decks and in a no-frills all-economy version it could cram in 850. It could be in service by 2005.Comment
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Osama's endorsed it as "more bang for the buck".12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
Stadtluft Macht Frei
Killing it is the new killing it
Ultima Ratio RegumComment
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Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Osama's endorsed it as "more bang for the buck".
Service with a smile
hey who was the one advocating FREE markets? 
(joking)
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IIRC, the Spruce Goose could carry 700 passengers easily.Originally posted by paiktis22
The A3XX will be colossal. It will carry between 480 and 650 passengers on two decks
I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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