Car Bomb in Jerusalem - Tens of casualties

[laurentius]

I remember being in MarkG's mailing list in the year 1998-99?

[Ming]

Originally posted by laurentius
I remember being in MarkG's mailing list in the year 1999?

Compared to some of us... you are all newbies

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by laurentius
So my opinions are so wrong and the only real and truthfull information is provided by Israeli Goverment and Isreali media. Say it's only a misunderstanding and we have been subject of palestinian/communist propaganda. When is this violence going to stop?

1. All information which I present I have seen proof of or I have seriousl reason to believe.

I get to see more videos, coverages, transcripts and so on than you.

While I admit the Israeli TV covers the Israeli side better, I have yet to find any proof of not-truthfull information being supplied to me by it.

And unlike palestinian newspapers, our newspapers are not regulated by the governemnt.

Huh? Tell me that my israelian friend, it's not just your land.
When can I come for my holiday or pilgrimage to Israel. You have been given the right to harvest the holy land and clearly You cant execute the mission. What we have seen is a continous oppression and endles row of violence. And with your attitude, I'm afraid it may never be over or at least not in our lifetime

You're talking nonsense.

No where did I, or any Israeli on apolyton for that matter (iirc) resisted to the idea of a palestinain state or sharing it with the palestinians.

Israel and Israelis do not wish to own that land, or to enslave palestinians or what not. It's all claims which are fun to make on CNN, but it's simply not true.

The reason Israel has conquered those lands is exactly because prior to 67 they were used as a haven for terrorists against Israel.
They used to fire at Israeli civilians using machine guns and rifles and grenades and what not.

[laurentius]

And what did the jew-militias do to the palestinians 1946-48?

[Eli]

Originally posted by laurentius
Eli: exactly who is the newbie here and what do you mena by that guide? A list of your pervert opinions in one sheet, end of discussion? You are free to make youre own list anytime you please. I dont need any of your newbie guides, and no one else does either

ME discussions are constantly held here for long long long time. Trust me, we're far after the stage of the basic "Israel kills civilians"/"the Jews are modern day Nazis"/"David vs Goliath" stuff. I'm sure that everyone here realized long time ago that the situation is not that simple and cannot be summed up in one sentence by some bored demagog(sp?).

Once in a while a new (uninformed) poster comes, like yourself now, and yet again starts with all this simplistic talking, and we all repeat the very same arguments all over again.

Btw, until now you failed to respond in a normal way to any of Siro's points.

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by laurentius
Eli: exactly who is the newbie here and what do you mena by that guide? A list of your pervert opinions in one sheet, end of discussion? You are free to make youre own list anytime you please. I dont need any of your newbie guides, and no one else does either

You are a newbie to ME discussions.

Your base knowledge is partially what you see on CNN and on your TV.

You know alot of half-truths and assumptions, and use them to judge the Israelis.

What you're saying is that you prefer to base your opinions on your assumptions, not on facts.

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by laurentius
And what did the jew-militias do to the palestinians 1946-48?

What did the palestinian mobs and terror groups do to the jews in 1929 - 1948?
They slaughtered jews and destroyed their property.

Jewish militias resisted.

[Az]

I remember being in MarkG's mailing list in the year 1998-99?

1. he means you're a newbie to the ME threads.
2. then why does your registration date show 2001 ?

And what did the jew-militias do to the palestinians 1946-48?

and what did the arabs ( not palestinians yet ) do to the jews from 1890 ? and really massively since 1921 to 1948 ?

It seems that we cannot fight back these days , heh ?

[Faeelin]

I was going to make a witty comment/question on the possibility that Europe's anti-Israel stems from anti-semitism, but I won't. I will ask how you can cheer for a nation which glorifies suicide bombers and sings songs about the slaughter of anyone who's not a muslim.

As opposed to say, western society.

[laurentius]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov

What did the isrealian army and terror groups do to the palestinians in 1949 - ?
They slaughtered palestians and destroyed their property.

Palestinian militias resisted.

[Sirotnikov]

Dal, why aren't you on ICQ?


Laurentius, while Israelis may be guilty of recklessness (which I don't agree with), the Palestinians are guilty of terror.

You should judge one according to his intentions, not the results.

You mean that if I shoot and accidentally kill you
And You shoot at me on purpose and kill me

I'm as guilty as you are? NO!

[laurentius]

Originally posted by Dalgetti


1. he means you're a newbie to the ME threads.
2. then why does your registration date show 2001 ?

1. If you think that shoot my arguments down.
2. I was "out of town" for few years. Anyway used to come to markos' site get scenarios and info for civ2. My memory is not so good but, I remember apolyton when it was really small.

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by laurentius

Gee. what a witty comeback.


Fine then.

You prove you don't want a serious discussion.

When ever you made a claim I replied with facts.
You ignored them, and made other claims.
I replied too.
You were left with no answer so you post smilies.

This simply showes that you can't really support your claims because they are based on lack of information. You only know the CNN version of things.

You are simply interested in venting off your own steams about Israel. Fine then. Mentally masturbate as much as you want.

Furthermore, you're an evil person since you are happy when innocent civilians get killed.

I'm not. I didn't even rejoice when we managed to hit terrorist-master minds such as Abu Ali Mustafa and friends.

So you sir, are a bigot and an evil man, from where I stand.

[Ming]

Originally posted by Ming
Dicsussing the issues is fine... Being emotional is understandable... Disagreeing is healthy...
but let's stop with the personal issults.

NOW!

What part of this are you not understanding!

[Az]

laurentius :

Siro : I am browsing mostly the fan-sites of Empire Earth. sorry.

I only sneak peeks into apolyton.