Car Bomb in Jerusalem - Tens of casualties

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by laurentius
we are talking about israelian soldiers death versus paletinian civilian deaths? well soldiers are payed for fighting
They know and take the risk

Israel targets palestinian combatants and terrorists.
Palestinians target civilians.

That's the difference.

[Eli]

I think we should compose a newbie guide for these threads.

I'm tired of answering again and again to holocaust comparisons, the David vs Goliath thingie that everyone feel so smart and deeply informed when saying etc.

[laurentius]

Look Sirotnikov, this week I heard about 18? palestinian getting killed in Israeli raids. most of them civilians. One israeli soldier killed. Soldiers are trained to face possible violent death. Civilians are not. And what comes to the paletians combatants...wouldnt you defend your own home and people?

Anyway ok say palestinians are terrorizing israeli civilians. Of course that is unexeptable, but your goverment is no better. It has killed even more paletinians than these so called terrorists. And still you dont consider your goverments actions terror agains paletinians?

[Oldenbarnevelt]

Originally posted by laurentius
Siro: Your goverments policies show that you dont value the life of a palestinian as much as your own.

You may be right.

And thats why you are a disgrace to us

Oh, come on! Here's the old trick of singling out Israel again. According to your own precious principle, Arabs should be a disgrace to you as well. Or is it your opinion that Arabs value a Jew's life as highly as an Arab's? Dream on, then.

[KrazyHorse]

I think we should compose Siro- and Eli-bots that respond automatically to any criticism of Israel.

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by laurentius
A rich hi-tech army of israel against stone-throwing teenagers and desperate men of principal?(ok not quite)
A true fight od David and Goliath...of course we all know who won

Israel targets gunmen who hide behind stone-throwing teenagers.

Plus, it's been a while since a stone-throwing teenager was killed.


How can you call a person who targets civilians and children a man of principal?

Yeah right. 7 year old terrorists

While I admit we kill 7 y/o kids, we do not target them.

However terrorists who go and stand in a disco line do target kids.

But you seem to think they are men of principles.

Your double standard makes me sick.

[laurentius]

Look siro, I dont really care who targets who. You kill civilians just as well as palestinians do.

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by laurentius
Pathetic excuse to isrealian lebensraum....

Israel only conqueres land to defend itself and to give it away in exchange for peace.

Sinai, which is several times larger than Israel was given away to egypt when they agreed to peace.

The territories were about to be given away to the PA in Camp David in 2000.


My my, what short memory to you have.

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by laurentius
Look siro, I dont really care who targets who. You kill civilians just as well as palestinians do.

Then you're an idiot.

I'm sorry but are you acctually suggesting that muder one is the same as accidental killing?

[Ming]

Dicsussing the issues is fine... Being emotional is understandable... Disagreeing is healthy...
but let's stop with the personal issults.

NOW!

[laurentius]

So my opinions are so wrong and the only real and truthfull information is provided by Israeli Goverment and Isreali media. Say it's only a misunderstanding and we have been subject of palestinian/communist propaganda. When is this violence going to stop?

Huh? Tell me that my israelian friend, it's not just your land. When can I come for my holiday or pilgrimage to Israel. You have been given the right to harvest the holy land and clearly You cant execute the mission. What we have seen is a continous oppression and endles row of violence. And with your attitude, I'm afraid it may never be over or at least not in our lifetime

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by laurentius
Look Sirotnikov, this week I heard about 18? palestinian getting killed in Israeli raids. most of them civilians.

Who the **** told you that?

Since when are people who hold rifles and shoot them are civilians?

One israeli soldier killed.

Two.

Soldiers are trained to face possible violent death. Civilians are not.

excuse me, but :

Palestinains have dozens of armed brigades who are trained, and most were trained by Israel when we thought we are going to have peace.

We trained them to shoot at terrorists. Now they shoot at us.

Many Hamas and Jihad terrorists were trained in camps in Syria and Saudi Arabia. (those don't cover bombers, as they are expendable to them, and not trained).

Each terrorist is trained both physically and mentally by his group before the terract. Suiciders especially.

There are schools who train 6 y/o kids to throw stones, use rifles and grenades.

And what comes to the paletians combatants...wouldnt you defend your own home and people?

But IDF is not allowed to defend Israelis right?

When palestinians kill Israeli civilians you don't mind.

But when we kill combatants to stop them from aiming at civilians, you do care for them?

Bigot.

Anyway ok say palestinians are terrorizing israeli civilians. Of course that is unexeptable, but your goverment is no better. It has killed even more paletinians than these so called terrorists.

But the intetion matters. Ask any court of law.

And still you dont consider your goverments actions terror agains paletinians?

Intention intention intention.

[Eli]

Originally posted by laurentius
So my opinions are so wrong and the only real and truthfull information is provided by Israeli Goverment and Isreali media. Say it's only a misunderstanding and we have been subject of palestinian/communist propaganda. When is this violence going to stop?

Huh? Tell me that my israelian friend, it's not just your land. When can I come for my holiday or pilgrimage to Israel. You have been given the right to harvest the holy land and clearly You cant execute the mission. What we have seen is a continous oppression and endles row of violence. And with your attitude, I'm afraid it may never be over or at least not in our lifetime

We need a newbie guide. ASAP.

Siro, stop minimizing the ICQ window, turn on the speakers and answer already!

[laurentius]

Eli: exactly who is the newbie here and what do you mena by that guide? A list of your pervert opinions in one sheet, end of discussion? You are free to make youre own list anytime you please. I dont need any of your newbie guides, and no one else does either

[Eli]

Joke:
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The Fatah claimed responsibility, the PA condemned the teracts.