Car Bomb in Jerusalem - Tens of casualties

[CyberGnu]

Siro, I only have a short free moment while my advisor reads through my thesis, so I'm not gonna stick around to argue. But you again completely misrepresented my views.

I don't support killing innocents. My opposition to Israel is based on my hatred of this very thing.

However, no Israeli is innocent.

And so, just like we applaud the actions of the French resistance or the Polish partisans I applaud the efforts of the palestinians to resist the occupation.

So please, don't accuse me of wanting to kill innocents. That position is reserved for the Israeli army.

[Natan]

Originally posted by CyberGnu
I don't support killing innocents. My opposition to Israel is based on my hatred of this very thing.

However, no Israeli is innocent.

You sound like the sort of Nazis who talk about how Jews deserved to die because some of them were leftists. The victims of this bombing don't even have relatives serving in the Israeli army; they're Ultra-Orthodox.

And so, just like we applaud the actions of the French resistance or the Polish partisans I applaud the efforts of the palestinians to resist the occupation.

They never killed one year old babies. Comparing them to these murderers is libelous.

So please, don't accuse me of wanting to kill innocents. That position is reserved for the Israeli army.

Don't accuse me of racism or insensitivty. That's reserved for you.

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by laurentius
I tried to talk, no, didnt work got loads of dirt on my back. Are you really so self-righteous down the that you feel personally threatened by my disagreement of your palestinian blood-fests?

You perhaps tried to talk to yourself.

You haven't related to my points and kept yelling idiotic accusations.

Cannot, should not and will not be compared. Please dont try to simplify things that way

Again you ignored my point and went like every good demagogue after a technicality.

You still don't explain how you can ignore the intention.

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by Comrade Tribune
We really need more Israel-friendly viewpoints:

That picture was indeed funny and sharp witted.

Just because of that I won't mention what nice pics I can bring of jorg heider.

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by CyberGnu
Siro, I only have a short free moment while my advisor reads through my thesis, so I'm not gonna stick around to argue. But you again completely misrepresented my views.

Welcome to the ME thread

I don't support killing innocents. My opposition to Israel is based on my hatred of this very thing.

However, no Israeli is innocent.

Ok fine.

I'll restate:

You support killing civilians based on their inaction/support.

If I had used that logic I would had to support killing about 80% of the palestinian population. Which I don't.

Also, using your logic, the 9/11 terract was justified because those 4,000 people were as guilty of american war crimes and opression of other countries, as any american general.

Needless to say, I completely don't support that view point.

And so, just like we applaud the actions of the French resistance or the Polish partisans I applaud the efforts of the palestinians to resist the occupation.

Natan has a nice point.

I never heard of the French resistance targeting little children at disco parties and such.

So please, don't accuse me of wanting to kill innocents. That position is reserved for the Israeli army.

Who'se making wild accusations now?

Fine. I'll call them civilians.

I claim that civilians are by defenition innocent and not viable targets in any kind of war, except ethnic cleansing.

You support ethnic cleansing is due against the Israelis?

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by Natan
By the way, those little kid's headbands read "friends of the martyrs" in Arabic.

I forgot I know arabic.
That's true.

Btw, you study really fast

You've only been studying it for several months, right?

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by paiktis22
That's why we must create Palestine as a state and give it a state army so that they won't have to use children for soldiers.


Nice point Eli

I don't disagree.

I just think that they should have an army only after they prove to forget their ambitions of fighting Israel

[Giancarlo]

Maybe we should remember this man and what he accomplished in getting peace and improving ties between Israel and Egypt.



I don't see why we shouldn't. We should go back to his thinking and try to reach a framework that actually works. Not a framework of the past but a framework where both sides can live side by side.

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
Just because of that I won't mention what nice pics I can bring of jorg heider.

If you have a good Haider cartoon, by all means post it. I´ll add it to my collection.

(You seem to have a sort of idee fixe that I´m a fan of Haider; very far from true. But I don´t blame you, since you have no idea of Austrian politics. Fyi, though: In general, the Austrian Right is more pro-Israel than the Austrian Left; given the fact that Sharon is a Fascist, that makes a lot of sense. I have no idea where Haider stands concerning Israel, but I wouldn´t at all be surprised if he is more pro-Israel than I.)

[Sirotnikov]

Gian, admit it, you were just jealous of comrade tribune and wanted to post a picture too, right?



well, until we have such a palestinian leader, there'll be no peace.

[Natan]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
Maybe we should remember this man and what he accomplished in getting peace and improving ties between Israel and Egypt.

And this one too, for the same reason.



Siro: About a year and a half. But all by myself!

[Giancarlo]

Is that a picture of Begin? I dunno much about Israel's past.

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
well, until we have such a palestinian leader, there'll be no peace.

Arafat is not that leader who will pursue peace.

[Sirotnikov]

how can you study that nightmare by yourself?? Arabic is a nightmare. And I know hebrew, russian, english and some german as well.

Hey, did you notice laurentius doesn't reply to posts where he can't deform the content and argue against it?


He hasn't answered Eli's post, so I guess he concedes Eli is right?

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by Comrade Tribune
If you have a good Haider cartoon, by all means post it. I´ll add it to my collection.

Post your collection of haider cartoons first.

(You seem to have a sort of idee fixe that I´m a fan of Haider; very far from true. But I don´t blame you, since you have no idea of Austrian politics.

You're right.

I forgot you support innocent man loving Saddam Hussein, as you posted in a previous thread.

How could I?

Fyi, though: In general, the Austrian Right is more pro-Israel than the Austrian Left; given the fact that Sharon is a Fascist, that makes a lot of sense.

Sharon isn't a fascist.

Not by the defenition of fascism nor by any other standards.

He is a right wing, and supports a good crack down when one is needed.

But I read recently that he called for talks with the palestinians back in 74, so he's not as palestinian hating as you'd think

I have no idea where Haider stands concerning Israel, but I wouldn´t at all be surprised if he is more pro-Israel than I.)

You're wrong here.

He's very pro-arab. Todays anti-semites are all pro-arab. And many arabs are pro-antisemites.

Palestinian leaders met with hitler in his time. Were supportive of his goal, and iirc were quoted to say words of support for his attempts to rid of jews.

Sadly Israeli extremists tried to arrange a meeting too. They thought Hitler might help Israel against Britain. I'm sure hitler would have loved "liberating" israel, but for other purposes than they thought.

I guess every era has it's own Yossi Belin type guys who met with the enemy and were convinced they were friends.

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
I forgot you support innocent man loving Saddam Hussein, as you posted in a previous thread.

Innocent man loving Saddam Hussein? Is he gay?

He's very pro-arab. Todays anti-semites are all pro-arab. And many arabs are pro-antisemites.

Those things are not so clear-cut as you seem to believe. Haider at least pretends to be philo-semitic; and one of his party leaders is Jewish. (Both in cartoon below)