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[Lars-E]

Originally posted by Ramo
No, stating facts isn't mockery.

But saying "some religion, huh?" was mockery.

That's opinion. A hypocritical one at that.

No, just a statement after assessing an aspect of the religion. Christians cannot assess other religions without being hypocriticial is your thesis. And you know it's lacking.

Question: Is islam the only true religion? And will it thus bring world peace?

Can you answer that without stating that such a question is biased, racist, nazist, hypocritical, un-PC, or any other bad thing in your book??

My guess is you won't answer. I've posed many questions in here and noone have been answered. The response has very often been to change the subject, because NOONE wants to talk about islam.

[Lars-E]

Originally posted by Ramo
And can you possibly type a single post without assinine insults directed at Americans?

No can do with a sig like mine

[Ramo]

No, just a statement after assessing an aspect of the religion.

Right.

Christians cannot assess other religions without being hypocriticial is your thesis.

If Christians (or Moslems, Buddhists, Hindus, or whathaveyou) are to assess other religions, they should at least look at it objectively. You dismissed Islam because it was spread by violence. Why don't you dismiss Christianity since it was spread by violence?

Question: Is islam the only true religion? And will it thus bring world peace?

Can you answer that without stating that such a question is biased, racist, nazist, hypocritical, un-PC, or any other bad thing in your book??

I suppose there's an insignificant chance that Islam is the true religion, but the probability is too small to seriously consider. The same applies to any religion. The burden of proof is on those who assert that statement.

I don't see why Islam would possibly bring world peace, so I don't think that would happen. Moslems aren't particularly more peaceful than non-Moslems, after all. (I believe the stock refuation for ____ists is that the examples of ____ism that were violent weren't true ____ists.) Again, the burden of proof is on those who would assert that.

My guess is you won't answer.

You guessed poorly.

because NOONE wants to talk about islam.

I'm perfectly willing to discuss Islam or any other idea. In fact, if you weren't so obsessed with your own reighteousness, you would see that I particpated in the Islam sub-debate.

I don't care for bigotry, though.

I've posed many questions in here and noone have been answered.

Like what?

[Lars-E]

Originally posted by Ramo
If Christians (or Moslems, Buddhists, Hindus, or whathaveyou) are to assess other religions, they should at least look at it objectively. You dismissed Islam because it was spread by violence. Why don't you dismiss Christianity since it was spread by violence?

Did not dismiss it. Just critical about a certain aspect of it. In fact I think it's better to be religious than not to be. Better for ppl.

I suppose there's an insignificant chance that Islam is the true religion, but the probability is too small to seriously consider. The same applies to any religion. The burden of proof is on those who assert that statement.

Logically then the burden of proof is on those who assert, ey? Including those who assert 'God is dead'.

You guessed poorly.

Nah, not really. You're a BIG exception. Congrats. Was it the bold letters?

I'm perfectly willing to discuss Islam or any other idea. In fact, if you weren't so obsessed with your own reighteousness, you would see that I particpated in the Islam sub-debate.

Which thread?

I don't care for bigotry, though.

And who's righteous?

Defending other religions you don't believe in and feeling hurt on behalf of 1 billion muslims.... Or just on behalf of Imran?? He can defend himself and do not need knights in shining armor like yourself to rescue him.

Like what?

Read the thread.

I suggest we stop here. Maybe an islam-thread would be good. Care to start one?

Don't talk back now!

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Comrade Tribune

No, you haven´t. That´s why I said 'leftist'. It´s the political category I happen to despise the most. I do respect conservative hard-liners, but I really can´t stand spineless pseudo-social-democrats such as Tony Blair.

Those are the guys who tend to bash religious people (because they are too sincere for their taste, I guess!), but always fail to talk about the real problems (US trying to make the world into a prison colony a la Guantanamo).

As you have found out with your characteristic brilliance, I rarely bother to take the 'arguments' of pseudo-leftist pseudo-intellectuals seriously.

That's probably a good move for you, I don't think you could hold your own against a pseudo-leftist pseudo-intellectual in a debate. You are all opinion, trolls and insults. I have never seen you make a worthy point, or refute one. Maybe that's why you prefer to troll on religious topics, where proof is hard to come by, and almost any point can be held by faith, at least in the mind of the person holding it.

As for bashing religious people, perhaps you can kindly point out to me where I have done so. I have my opinions about many religions, but it is clear to me that even what I consider a savage and brutish religion can be worthy in the hands of of a worthy person. My father is a devout Christian, a former missionary and currently a professor at a Christian University. My girlfriend is a Buddhist, my best friend is a Hindu, and the best friend I have made in the last decade is a Muslim. I respect them all, and have seen how religion has been a positive feature of their lives.

Watching Lars bash Muslims for what Christians have done as well made me want to point out to him that his hypocrisy was like Stalin pointing the finger at Hitler. Perhaps you felt threatened or angered because I told some of the truth about Christianity. Tough luck, your faith is not my problem.

I like religion, I see it have a good effect much of the time. But religious tolerance is critical, or all of that power can be turned into an inquisition, or an intifada. The most dangerous in this regard are the monotheistic religions, because deep down their religions cannot abide the thought that there is another religion out there (falsely) making claim to what only their God can. This is my problem with these religions. While they can be great 90% of the time, their downside potential is of Armegheddonic (wow, coined a new and misspelled term) proportions. This is typically not the fault of the individuals who believe in them, it is structural.

[Sikander]

Lars,

The reason that most of the other Euros aren't leaping to your defense is that they don't agree with you. Look who does.

It's hilarious to see you trying to paint some of the most thoughtful posters at Apolyton with the ignorance brush. Just as you want to bash Muslims and are blind to the same sorts of crimes amongst those of your own religion, you cannot even read or understand the arguments of your betters, and then you call them ignorant. I will credit you with producing some classic irony though.

[Lars-E]

Originally posted by Sikander
Lars,

The reason that most of the other Euros aren't leaping to your defense is that they don't agree with you. Look who does.

It's hilarious to see you trying to paint some of the most thoughtful posters at Apolyton with the ignorance brush. Just as you want to bash Muslims and are blind to the same sorts of crimes amongst those of your own religion, you cannot even read or understand the arguments of your betters, and then you call them ignorant. I will credit you with producing some classic irony though.

Comrade's posts on islam has been interesting. You just write about christianity, which NOONE initially brought up. And yes, I have read your posts on early christianity many times. You always write the same stuff.

You're a class act dismissing Comrade Tribune as nothing but a troll.

The arguments of my better? Whatever you a$$hole. I've read all of Grimbergs 25 volumes on history++, know my viking past as well, have you ever actually heard of the standard work of Snorre, or the icelandic sagas, i have a MBA from 'the Harvard' of my country.... I've read more systematic theology than you ever have....

My betters my a$$. I find you downright disgusting. united snakes of america, makes you one, huh?

Are you actually saying that Imran is the most thoughtful american in here?

Ramo isn't all that bad for a texan, but he still needs to get some experience.

You got the president you deserve. He represents you lot well. americans are not know for their intellectualism... But to you Bush is one probably. Like a certain american preacher says: Bless those darling hearts and stupid minds.

Bug off snake. Go to a certain hot place your dad believes in.

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Originally posted by Lars-E
Bug off snake. Go to a certain hot place your dad believes in.

Sorry Lars, I am an European and this is certainly not civilized.

If you think you are better than them act so, don't claim to be.

[Roland]

Seems Lars is trying to break the poly arrogance record. Not a bad attempt, but difficult to rate in comparison to CivNation or MtG's consultant routine....

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Lars-E
Comrade's posts on islam has been interesting. You just write about christianity, which NOONE initially brought up. And yes, I have read your posts on early christianity many times. You always write the same stuff.

Show me another example of a post I have made on Apolyton about early Christianity other than the one earlier on this thread and I won't call you a liar, and rest my case regarding your refusal or inability to understand or read other people's posts.

Originally posted by Lars-E
You're a class act dismissing Comrade Tribune as nothing but a troll..

He might be brilliant, but he seems to like to stir up trouble a lot, and I have never seen him do anything but call names and avoid an argument when I have challenged him.

Originally posted by Lars-E
The arguments of my better? Whatever you a$$hole. I've read all of Grimbergs 25 volumes on history++, know my viking past as well, have you ever actually heard of the standard work of Snorre, or the icelandic sagas, i have a MBA from 'the Harvard' of my country.... I've read more systematic theology than you ever have....

My betters my a$$. I find you downright disgusting. united snakes of america, makes you one, huh?

Are you actually saying that Imran is the most thoughtful american in here?

Ramo isn't all that bad for a texan, but he still needs to get some experience.

You got the president you deserve. He represents you lot well. americans are not know for their intellectualism... But to you Bush is one probably. Like a certain american preacher says: Bless those darling hearts and stupid minds.

Bug off snake. Go to a certain hot place your dad believes in.

Well I leave the question of your moral worth to someone in a much better position to know. Here anyone can claim to be anything they want, and it's difficult to tell whether they are what they say they are. The only thing we have to go on here is the quality of someone's posts. And in this critical respect the people you were arguing with are your betters.

Btw, when I was a freshman in college I had the pleasure of reading Snorre's work. It was fascinating, and I've been looking for a good copy in English translation for a long time, and haven't come across one. Some day.

Oh, and another thing. In my belief system only those who believe in hell have a chance of going there. So watch your step. He will.

[Lars-E]

Originally posted by Sikander
Show me another example of a post I have made on Apolyton about early Christianity other than the one earlier on this thread and I won't call you a liar, and rest my case regarding your refusal or inability to understand or read other people's posts.

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=38947

No need to say anything here... Only that your accusations seem to drop...

Yes, this is you bettering me discussing, huh? Resorting to unfounded low-level accusations? Typical american "debating" technique when you have NO arguments?

Well I leave the question of your moral worth to someone in a much better position to know. Here anyone can claim to be anything they want, and it's difficult to tell whether they are what they say they are. The only thing we have to go on here is the quality of someone's posts. And in this critical respect the people you were arguing with are your betters.

And now you're even lowering yourself to snakelevel. Now, I am christian lying. Well, I'm not believe it or not, Ripley.

I've not had the chance to be brilliant in here Noone wants to discuss islam in it's historical context. Probably due to lack of knowledge and a christianity complex.

Btw, when I was a freshman in college I had the pleasure of reading Snorre's work. It was fascinating, and I've been looking for a good copy in English translation for a long time, and haven't come across one. Some day.

Snorre is just a humble beginning.

Read the sagas that explain how we the vikings discovered your country. And killed some of you. Helge Ingstad's latest is nice to read too.

And all the icelandic sagas are brilliant IMO.

Oh, and another thing. In my belief system only those who believe in hell have a chance of going there.

Convenient. Thunk it up yourself?

So watch your step. He will.

He talks to me everyday. And I'm doing fine

And you? Not been redeemed by the blood? Sorry, but I have to warn you. It's biblical. Hell and all its horrors await. And yes in this life too. You're cursed I'm sure you know. Those who will not believe are, and that's biblical too. Yes, of course I can come up with scriptures. A lot of them. How about some lenghty theology stuff on it?

[Lars-E]

Didn't claim to be better Grave. sikander claimed his posts to be better and all of the american "intellectuals" as well.

Eastern Europe consider yourself out. You need to pull that iron curtain.

I c, Roland, you read my post on Austrians. Care to answer why you're the most arrogant ppl in the world? Yes, I'm referring to the poll. It has nothing to do with Hitler being born there and Anschluss?

[Roland]

"Yes, I'm referring to the poll."

What was the question in the poll ? Somehow I doubt it was "how arrogant are you".

[Lars-E]

The Austrians are the proudest ppl on earth. You know this because you have asked about it before

[Roland]

"You know this because you have asked about it before"

What have I asked, and how come I should "know" that ?

Simply specify what was asked in the poll and what the results were if you want me to explain the result.