Canadian skaters totally screwed!!!!

[pchang]

Figure skating is not a sport

At least the WWF admits that its results are scripted in advance. It is time for figure skating to drop the pretense that it's a sport.

[reismark]

http://cbs.sportsline.com/u/ce/multi...281206,00.html

Canada calls for investigation into judging

SALT LAKE CITY -- Canada's Olympic delegation called for an investigation into the judging that gave the Russians the pairs gold medal over the Canadian team. Others in the sport say this could be the first sign that figure skating is due for some drastic changes.

The International Skating Union, which oversees the sport, said Tuesday it will conduct an "internal assessment" of the narrow loss by world champions Jamie Sale and David Pelletier to Elena Berezhnaya and Anton Sikharulidze on Monday night.

"There should be pressure applied to investigate the results of this particular event," said Sally Rehorick, Canada's chief of mission, a former skater and a judge for 25 years. "We will request an investigation. I do feel the credibility of our sport could be negatively affected by this decision."

That decision gave the Russians gold by the slimmest of margins.

"It was like somebody punched me in the stomach," Pelletier told NBC's Today show Tuesday. "But at the same time, we can sit here and talk about it for weeks but it's not going to change the results."

But it should change figure skating, said longtime coach Frank Carroll.

"This is the worst thing that's happened in a long time in figure skating," he said.

Carroll was Linda Fratianne's coach in 1980, when Fratianne lost the gold medal to East Germany's Anett Poetzsch amid allegations of judges trading votes along political lines.

"People say figure skating shouldn't be in the Olympic Games because it's a play sport, it's not a real sport (and) you can almost see where they're coming from ... when you watch that on TV," Carroll said. "The ISU has a lot of work to do as far as getting the judging system worked out."

Rehorick said subjectivity in figure skating was fine, "as long as the subjectivity is based on fair play in the spirit of the Olympics."

ISU secretary general Fredi Schmid said that the outcry following the judging prompted the organization to undertake "an internal assessment to monitor if the ISU rules and procedures have been respected."

When the marks flashed and the boos rained down Monday night, Pelletier buried his face in his hands and Sale's eyes filled with tears.

There was no easy way to explain how they could have looked so magical, yet come away with silver.

If only they'd made some mistake, left something out, maybe then they could understand. But this is figure skating, and the answers are rarely simple.

"That's the way skating works," said Sale, trying to contain her emotions. "It's judged."

NBC commentators were amazed at the decision. Sandra Bezic, a former Canadian pairs champion, even went so far as to say she was "embarrassed for our sport."

"How did that happen?" asked Scott Hamilton, the 1984 Olympic champion. "(They) won that program, there's not a doubt for anyone in the place, except for maybe a few judges.

"That will be debated forever."

For the Russian coach, however, the issue was closed.

"For two years, we considered that Elena and Anton won, but it went to the other couple," said coach Tamara Moskvina, referring to recent losses by her top pair, including their loss to the Canadians at last spring's world championships in Vancouver, British Columbia.

"We didn't accuse the North American bloc, we just accepted it. So now it is our time."

Sale and Pelletier put on the kind of memorable performance that defines a career. And the Canadians did it even after Sale had the wind knocked out of her when she crashed into Sikharulidze during warmups.

Though she initially felt "paralyzed" by the crash, Sale and Pelletier skated with passionate abandon. Every move and detail of their Love Story program was flawless, including two huge throw jumps. Fans were chanting "Six! Six!" when it ended -- begging the judges to award the Canadians a perfect score.

Pelletier was so overcome he dropped to his knees and kissed the ice, then leaned back and let out a scream as he pumped his fists.

"We didn't come here to win gold, we came here to do our best," Sale said. "We were on tonight, we really were. What else can you ask for?"

Especially considering the pressure they've been under. Sale and Pelletier had won nine competitions in a row, including the world championships last spring, and they gave Canada its best hope to win its first pairs gold since 1960.

They couldn't go anywhere without someone wishing them well -- expectations that became more of a burden than an inspiration.

"The last six months were so tough," Pelletier said. "You go to the grocery store and it's, 'Bring back the gold.' You go to the hardware store and it's, 'Bring back the gold.' I'm just trying to buy a hammer!"

Family and friends tried to ease the couple's pain by serenading them with O, Canada when they arrived at Canada House in Salt Lake City early Tuesday.

"I was sad to come second," Pelletier said. "But like Jamie said, nothing will ever take away that performance."

But it will always be tinged with thoughts of what might have been.

Berezhnaya and Sikharulidze's program, to Meditation, was strong but hardly perfect. Sikharulidze stepped out of a double axel, and they couldn't match the Canadians' emotion.

Yet they still collected seven 5.9s for artistry, with the Chinese and Polish judges favoring the Russians and making the difference, ensuring a Russian or Soviet pair has won every gold medal since 1964.

The Canadians got only four 5.9s for artistry.

But Sikharulidze refused to apologize for the shiny golden disc hanging around his neck. He and Berezhnaya were silver medalists four years ago, and it's been anything but a smooth transition from second to first.

They withdrew from the 2000 world championships after Berezhnaya failed a drug test, which she said was caused by over-the-counter cold medicine. They were then suspended for three months by the International Skating Union and stripped of their European crown.

"Yeah, sure, because I have a gold medal," Sikharulidze shot back when someone asked if he and Berezhnaya had skated a winning program. "All competitions are decided by fate."

China's Shen Xue and Zhao Hongbo won the bronze.

American champions Kyoko Ina and John Zimmerman finished fifth in a performance Ina called "the best rush I have ever felt in my career."

Ina, who was ninth in the 1994 Games and fourth in Nagano in 1998 when she partnered with Jason Dungjen, leaped up like a schoolgirl with straight A's on her report card when she saw the couple's marks.

"I can walk away and say, 'Wow, that was terrific,'" she said.

That's a feeling Sale and Pelletier will never know.

"What we can't control, we can't control," he said. "That's the way it is."

I can't *wait* to see how this turns out. *rolleyes*

[Peacemaker]

If they wanted skating to be taken for a real sport, they need to bring in a defense. Couldn't you just see someone going for a triple lutz and getting body checked half way through. That would be worth watching.

[General Ludd]

Does anyone know what the reaction of the Russian skaters who got the gold medal was?

[lightblue]

Now what I don't get why everybody knows so much about figure skating, now speedskating that's a sport

[Jaguar]

I didn't see it, but Jamie Sale is hot, so I'm with the canadians. BTW, does anyone remember Chen Lu? She was hot too. (She used to be my favorite skater )

Anyway, I do think the Canadians got screwed. I think Russia threatened Poland.

[Wiglaf]

The Americans indeed deserved to medal last night over the Chinese, no real question about that. Oh, and about Canada and Russia - I think it's time someone got up and admitted the whole damn thing was fixed from the start, as it's been for countless years, and told everyone to move on. Whatever they want to call it, dancing gaily on ice like fruity wimpy little girls (only disturbing in pairs, naturally) is a subjective and booring sport that any biased and hardly select group of judges from a painful list of no-name countries could bring down. You got screwed, the Russians sucked, so did the elitist judges, end of discussion.

I do look forward to whatever the bold new investigation produces, however, although a separate ruling to overturn an evil and outdated one would be highly unlikely given our current and now failing "system" centered around power, I guess.

[Yefei]

I don't think U.S deserved it more than the Chinese couple because they attempted a great feat which no others can do, which is a quadraple twist, the woman fell on that. Other than that I think the Chinese couple certainly beat the American couple in technical area.

Also regarding the Canadian thing, I got no comment, we all know the refs are corrupted people.

[*End Is Forever*]

Bring back Torvill and Dean...

[DaShi]

Originally posted by lightblue
Now what I don't get why everybody knows so much about figure skating

Because these kinds of incidents are common, and thus, the news will blabber on about it.

[November Adam]

Yep we got screwed... hopefully some sort of shake down occurs. Apparently it was like this in ice dancing as well, but "apparantley" that has been fixed. We'll see.

They should just get rid of the judges selecting ranks, as opposed to just using the points. If they had, the Canadians had higher total points 105.1, to Russias 104.7.

What gets me is that when the Russians came off the ice after skating, the guy was shaking his head, as if he knew they fud up. And the Canadian guy was estatic about his performance. Kinda strange.

[Ming]

The latest development is that the French Judge traded his vote with the Russian judge to award them the gold if the Russian judge would vote a gold to the French Ice Dancing team...

This isn't a sport... it's a joke

[chequita guevara]

Things to consider.

IIRC, the short and long are both combined to make the decision as to who gets the medals. The Russians did very well the night before.

Two, the difficulty of the performance counts in scoring. Unfortunately, I was unable to see the Russians in the long performance, but I saw the Canadaians, and I think they got a friggan gift with the scores they received. Yes, they were technically flawless, but they skated slowly and standing upright. These two things decreased the difficulty of their routine. I also think their routine lacked passion, they were boring.

As for the Chinese, they deserved their medal. They only lost it once, attempting a feat which still has yet to be done in the Olympics, and quad axel. You get brownie points just for trying something like that. The rest of their performance was without mistakes. Even the ever present announcers who could shut up with another pair fell silent as the Chinese skated. Their performace, while not techincally perfect, was full of fire and passion and was fantastic.

So, I can't say the Russians deserved their gold, and clearly you could see they didn't think they did, but I don't think the Canadians deserved it.

And that's the last I'll say 'till Saturday, when I'm back. (edit: okay, maybe not)

[Asher]

That's real nice and all, Che, but it's skirting around the real issue:

Several Judges (one in question here specifically) gave both the Russians and Canadians EQUAL marks for technical. How the hell could that be, seeing as the Canadians didn't f*ck up once while the Russians did several times?

Things like speed, style, and whatnot (which I don't really agree with your opinion on either) come under presentation.

How could the technical marks be equal when they performed (technically) equal difficulty performances but one did so flawlessly and one had some slipups?

[Ming]

While my daughter is no expert... she does skate competitively.
She was laughing at the mistakes the Russians were making, and commenting on how their performance was stiff and not very good. On the other hand, she admits that the Canadians routine was "slightly" easier, she was spell bound by their perfection and grace...

I can only guess that if a 13 year old skater could see it... that a judge probably could too