US prepared to go it alone - allies warned.

[gopher]

Originally posted by Comrade Tribune


Do you really believe that?

AlQuaida bombed you for two, and only two, reasons:

1) US troops stationed in Saudi Arabia.

2) US unconditional support for Israel.

Please believe me this one thing at least: No one, and I mean: No one in Austria thinks that any Muslims are going to attack us, now or ever.

First:

http://europe.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/02/04/inv.france.arrests/index.html

Al Quaida is fighting the enemies of Islam, which they see as Western culture. The focus is on America, but they havent forgot about Europe. After all, Europe is a supporter of Israel, the Saudi Dynasty, and the various Sheikdoms of the ME, just like America. If I remember right, wasn't there a plot to bomb the EU parliament in the works that was exposed?

[faded glory]

How does throwing a billions make you the economic superpower

I mean, dont get me wrong, most of the money is for increased military pay and security. The government would of spent that money on somthing else, regardless of Terror war.

So your idea of it bankrupting us is silly

(and saving money),

huh? Your government saves money? I thought every penny was spent on somthing or other.

(and throws away billions of dollars),

Have you seen our budget?? thats a drop in the bucket.

[Maj]

Perhaps if some of you folks kept the accomplishments and achievements held by your society to a tranquil pride and refocused the same energy you use to berate and antagonize the societies of others towards the more signficant forces that plague us all, you would find yourself doing a service to your people, and not just the the inflated egos that drive irrationality and willful ignorance.

Just a thought.

- Maj

[gopher]

More Links for Al-Queida Euro Terrorism

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A3771-2001Nov22

By Michael Dobbs
Washington Post Foreign Service
Friday, November 23, 2001; Page A34

During the course of a 20-year career, the swashbuckling magistrate has broken up several plots by Islamic extremists against French targets, including the 1998 World Cup soccer championship.
Most recently, he has been investigating an alleged plot to blow up the U.S. Embassy in Paris by members of Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda terrorist network,

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20020204/wl/attack_france_arrests_dc_1.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,641457,00.html

(Not really Al-Queida, but hey, the ETA is kinda like them)
(Note: That last statement was pulled out of my a**)

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Maj
towards the more signficant forces that plague us all
- Maj

We are focusing our energies on that. It's called US. Al Qaeda are just children in comparison as long as Europe is concerned

[kolpo]

The foreign policies of the US and the E.U. are becoming to different to form a military alliance, the E.U. should leave the NATO and form a military organization on it's own.

We shouldn't sacrifice freedom and our ideals of peace for security. Not limiting the civil liberties and not increasing military spendings and keeping our open, tolerant and free society would be the real victory against terrorism.

It was not the army that let the NATO win the cold war, but it was keeping by our open, free, democratic and tolerant society even in difficult times that did.

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by Sikander
The strategic goals of Al Qaida are not the ones stated, but to replace secular governance in the Arab world with religious governance, ...

You know better than they, of course, what they 'really' want; but even if you were right: It´s none of America´s business to determine how people on another continent want to govern themselves.

They wouldn´t attack you, if you wouldn´t constantly meddle in their affairs.

[Bereta_Eder]

bah forget it

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by Roland
Overall I welcome the "unilateral" approach, as well as the stunning hubris and arrogance of the US oligarchy. About time to set the things up for a clean divorce.

I wouldn´t go so far, perhaps, but many people in Europe certainly agree with you; I think it is time for the US to consider if they really want to risk losing all their allies.

If the US wants to make ad-hoc alliances, Europe has to make up its mind: Do we still want a formal alliance that is of no benefit to us ? The "No" will be slow to come as long as jerks like Schröder, slimeballs like Blair and utter morons like Chirac are in power, but it will come.

One little disagreement: I know that Chirac is not popular here in Austria , but, in all fairness, let´s admit he did a few good things:

-1 Outmaneuvered the LePen movement.
-2 Does not suck up to America so much.

He is not an utter moron; compared to Bush/Blair, Chirac is adorable. Relatively spoken.

I also have little interest in seeing europe as part of a paranoid militarist "security" doctrine.

Hear, hear.

[DinoDoc]

Roland: Europe has to make up its mind: Do we still want a formal alliance that is of no benefit to us ?

Come on, Roland. NATO ceased being of any benefit to anyone onces the USSR collapsed into anarchy and has only survived due to its own beaurocratic inertia. Ending the archaic alliance will be a benefit to both sides.

[Velociryx]

The last thing we need to do, IMO, is bust up Nato.

Europe DID their own thing once before....'member that little nutbag named Hitler?

Funny moustache, even funnier haircut?

No thanks.

You might not agree with us all da time, but that's what's cool about democracy...you don't have to.

-=Vel=-

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Let's put this assertion to the test, shall we? Would you mind telling me exactly where Australia and a lot of "Eurocom" countries rate in comparison to the US according to the official stats on the subject?

GDP doesn´t say much. GDP is distributed much more equally in Europe, so average people (not the Upper Class) live much better in Europe than in the States. This isn´t ideology, ask any Euro, or come over and find out.

Also, there are many more free things: Public health care is better, public schools are better, environment is better, much less crime. Also, we work less hours. All this doesn´t reflect in GDP, but believe me: No Euro in his senses would want to move to the States.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Comrade Tribune
GDP doesn´t say much.

Then its a good thing that isn't the only thing the HDI takes into account, isn't it?

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by Natan
Khomeini style Shi'ite fundamentalism is not just a religion - it's a terror ideology.

Some people say the same about Zionism. It seems to depend on your religious viewpoint.

If we left our allies in the NA and other Afghan movements to suffer at the hands of Iranian backed fundamentalist militias, you'd be complaining too.

Did I ever complain about the US not meddling?

Because we think diplomatic pressure will be more effective on that front.

Proven by experience; therefore, Bin Laden.

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by Rogan Josh
I would rather you just airdropped Bush and Rumsfeld armed with assualt rifles. That would solve the problem right away....

Why wasting two perfectly good assault rifles?



Why waste two perfectly good parachutes?