US prepared to go it alone - allies warned.

[Roland]

Originally posted by DinoDoc

... according to the official stats on the subject?

Those are the official stats on living standards ?

RJ:

On the other hand, Americans expect european cars to be like theirs. One guy got all worked up about the lack of cupholders. And he didn't believe me that they are not there simply because nobody wants them. Had to be some commie conspiracy to him...

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Roland
Those are the official stats on living standards ?

The HDI stats are the closest I could find. If you know of any better stats, please tell me about them.

[Natan]

Originally posted by Comrade Tribune


1- Spreading their religion is not terrorism. Where´s the problem?

Khomeini style Shi'ite fundamentalism is not just a religion - it's a terror ideology.

2- Disagreement with the new Afghani government is not a crime, either.

If we left our allies in the NA and other Afghan movements to suffer at the hands of Iranian backed fundamentalist militias, you'd be complaining too.

3- Accusing Iran of helping people to escape to Saudi Arabia doesn´t make sense. If Saudi-Arabia really harbours terrorists, why do the US not threaten Saudi-Arabia?

Because we think diplomatic pressure will be more effective on that front.

[August Borms]

Originally posted by faded glory

Most Euro's dont even have cars

Everybody in america has cars

Car density in 1998:

(number of people per car)

Australië 2,2
Belgium/Luxemburg 2,3
Canada 2,2
Denmark 2,9
Germany 2
England 2,2
Finland 2,7
France 2,3
Italy 1,8
Japan 2,7
Morocco 25,2
Nederland 2,7
New-Zealand 2,1
Norway 2,5
Austria 2,2
Portugal 3,3
Spain 2,6
Turkey 17,8
United States 2,1
Sweden 2,4
Switserland 2,2

[Roland]

Well HDI is a funny mix. But according to the HDI, going to a crappy highschool and then having to attend college to learn something increases development. I always found that quite odd.

Anyway, what is the standard of living ? Let's see horsie bring a definition. And the figures. And then, what the average American is.

[faded glory]

I completely agree. about "Khomeism" being a terrorist ideology.

Well, at least now you can see who are your allies and "allies".

European Chickens...cant trust em'. Bunch of damn chickens and cowards. Always been like that. From Munich to Market Garden.

It seems when **** hits the fan, the only ones who back us are Turkey, Saudi Arabia,Kuwait and Israel.


The odd-coalition. But who gives a ****.


Saddam, here we come.

[Rogan Josh]

Originally posted by Natan
Khomeini style Shi'ite fundamentalism is not just a religion - it's a terror ideology.

I agree, but one could say the same thing about Sharon style Israeli Judaism.

European Chickens...cant trust em'. Bunch of damn chickens and cowards. Always been like that. From Munich to Market Garden.

Seems to me that it is the American hawks who are the cowards. They like to bomb countries from afar with their robot drones and missiles. Too chicken to try and sort things out like reasoned human beings - its easier to just push a button....

[faded glory]

Seems to me that it is the American hawks who are the cowards. They like to bomb countries from afar with their robot drones and missiles. Too chicken to try and sort things out like reasoned human beings - its easier to just push a button....

Oh ya, didnt we try that? It was clear the talib's werent gonna hand over mr. Osama. We had been pressuring them for 3 years. How much longer would you have us wait? Till more attacks came???? Your arguement is illogical.


As for the drones....would you want us to drop in a 300,000 with no air support or tanks? Then we could even up the score?

Brilliant!!!

We've got a brilliant General amongst us!

[Jon Miller]

we have triwed to sort things out

it has not worked

sometimes violence is the only reasonable answer (the other is giving up)

Jon Miller

[Rogan Josh]

Originally posted by faded glory
Oh ya, didnt we try that? It was clear the talib's werent gonna hand over mr. Osama. We had been pressuring them for 3 years. How much longer would you have us wait? Till more attacks came???? Your arguement is illogical.

Let's try this one more time for Mr Thicky sall we..... You should try not to cause these ****-ups in the first place! If the US had a policy of helping poor countries rather than trying to subjugate them to its capitalist authority, none of this would ever have happened!

In the case of Afghanistan the US supplied the Afghans with weapons for years, and then when the Russians left the US couldn't care less any more. Don't you see that this is the sort of thing that leads to anti-western governments?

Now, of course, once the Taliban or someone like them are in power they should be removed for the good of the people in Afghanistan. I have been saying this since early last year, but it takes the attack on the WTC to open your eyes!

Are you really this stupid or are you just trolling?

As for the drones....would you want us to drop in a 300,000 with no air support or tanks? Then we could even up the score?

I would rather you just airdropped Bush and Rumsfeld armed with assualt rifles. That would solve the problem right away....

[Roland]

Always depends. Why treat a flu with the chainsaw ?

Putting pressure on Iraq is a workable strategy. You might just be a little more credible if you didn't scare the crap out of your potential allies, like Jordan.

About Iran, it is just hot rhetoric helping the fundamentalists. And for North Korea, you'd have to rely more on the psychologists, in the absence of wanting to pay the price for a war with them and possibly China.

[faded glory]

Originally posted by Rogan Josh


Let's try this one more time for Mr Thicky sall we..... You should try not to cause these ****-ups in the first place! If the US had a policy of helping poor countries rather than trying to subjugate them to its capitalist authority, none of this would ever have happened!

Oh ya moron.
Blame the Capitalists and American Imperialists. The fact remains, THE COMMUNISTS created this problem. We ****in stepped in to help these people fight off the Red thugs. They were fighting before we armed them. The only thing we gave the afghan Resistance was Stinger missiles. We didnt cause any ****ups. Blame your comrades in the Kremlin When all else failed in 1987, Russians ****in Carpet-Bombed whole Afghan cities. They didnt give a ****...they are the root of this problem. The country was going through some social problems, and the Soviets decided to intervene. Big ****in mistake, they screwed up. Not us...admit it...stop ****in trolling for once and think about what your saying.

Oh ya...we do sort of look out for poor countrys.. (cough, Afghanistan) and prevented millions from starvation. Oh wait...that doesnt count

In the case of Afghanistan the US supplied the Afghans with weapons for years, and then when the Russians left the US couldn't care less any more. Don't you see that this is the sort of thing that leads to anti-western governments?

We bought back 90% of our Stinger Missiles How did the stingers contribute to there being a civil war? Yes, anti-western governments are bred bye moronic losers who think god is on there side like omar and osama.
Of course we trained the Mujhaddeen....But we saved more afghan lives bye doing it.

Now, of course, once the Taliban or someone like them are in power they should be removed for the good of the people in Afghanistan. I have been saying this since early last year, but it takes the attack on the WTC to open your eyes!

No you didnt.....I thought you were opposed to the bombing I guess you figured they would throw in there turbans and have elections after the civil war huh?

[Bereta_Eder]

Too busy to write anything more

I get a warm and fuzzy feeling inside about the EU

EU GODAMMIT

Down with american oppression

[Garth Vader]

The HDI stats are the closest I could find. If you know of any better stats, please tell me about them.

I liked those, they showed that we kick ass

[Saint Marcus]

I hope Europe lets the US fight alone.

1. We shouldn't fight in a war that isn't ours. We have nothing to gain by invading North Korea or Iraq (Iraq and France have relatively good relations).

2. We shouldn't throw money away that we need for our economy, social security, education, heath care, foreign aid, etc.

3. By not fighting the war alongside the US, NATO will weaken and eventually collapse, giving way for a EU only military organisation. Plus, by fighting alongside the US we will never get rid of depending on that country too much. We need to let this whole alliance end right here and now.

4. The US never listens when we tell them to do something, so why should we listen to them? A friendship should work both ways.

5. By fighting in an American war we expose ourselves to retaliatory attacks.

6. By not fighting, while the US does fight, Europe can grow more importance as a diplomatic superpower.

7. By not fighting (and saving money), while the US does fight (and throws away billions of dollars), we can become the world's #1 economic power.

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