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  • #61
    Sikander:

    "But we are not going to give France a blueprint of our operation months in advance, because we fear that they will turn it over to our enemies just like they did in Serbia."

    Could you please explain what you are talking about ?

    "Now the new regime is getting into position, and Iran has the same reasons for being the enemy of the new regime, except that #1 above is replaced with Shiia vs Secular."

    Secular ? That's why there is pretty much a consensus to have some version of sharia law, and call it a muslim Republic, I assume ?

    "One way that the hard liners think that they can increase their popularity is to foment an international crisis with the U.S."

    And dubya is playing along. Brilliant.

    "What better way to do that than to try to minimize or destroy the gains the U.S. has made in Afghanistan by undermining the new government and allowing Al Qaida to escape?"

    Iran has an interest in a stable Afghanistan (and one that clamps down on the drug trade, especially), and in the Hazara minority. Every political faction has an interest in seeing the US out of the region sooner than later, and allowing the Taliban & co a hideout would be counterproductive. Some elements in Iran may look beyond their schism and support them, but that's far from the simplistic rants from Rumsie.

    "They start with an assumption popular with the tiny class of people who make up the members of the British press that the U.S. is run entirely by insane clowns..."

    How can you blame us, after seeing Ronnie and dubya ?

    "U.S. troops hundreds of miles from Mecca are not an affront to Islam under even the most militant interpretation of the Q'uran"

    It only takes a slightly fundamentalist or political interpretation of Islam to take that as an affront.

    "but are perceived as a real obstacle to the overthrow of the secular regime in Saudi Arabia."

    ROTFL. Secular ? What kind of freaky definition of "secular" do you use ? LOL.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Sikander
      The strategic goals of Al Qaida are not the ones stated, but to replace secular governance in the Arab world with religious governance, with of course the leadership of Al Qaida playing a prominent role.
      Iraq has a secular Arab government. One could as legitimately say that the stategic goals of the US are not the ones stated, but to replace muslim governance in the Arab world with secular governance, with of course the leadership of the US playing a prominent role. It is then a matter of perspective who the good guys are.

      U.S. troops hundreds of miles from Mecca are not an affront to Islam under even the most militant interpretation of the Q'uran, but are perceived as a real obstacle to the overthrow of the secular regime in Saudi Arabia.
      secular???

      As for attacking countries where Al Quaida are seen to operate freely, did the terrorists not mainly organise themselves in the US? It seems to me that the US and Saudi Arabia are the two primary 'hosting' countries for Al Quaida. Should Europe invade the US to 'wipe out terrorism'?

      Why is there never any talk of invading Saudi Arabia? They have one of the most brutal fundamentalist governments in the world. OBL is a Saudi! Or how about Egypt, who sends hundreds of men to prison each year for the crime of being gay? Maybe we should invade Turkey for comitting genocide and ethnic cleansing against the Kurds? But wait.... they are our allies!

      Anyone who thinks this is about 'world security' or human rights is amazingly naive. It is about the upcoming US mid-term elections and cheap campaigning. It is about reopening countries to American capitalism and global corporatism. It is about securing the US hegemony.

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      • #63
        U.S. = bad

        I expect the entire world to declare war on the U.S. within the next 50 years. And I expect the U.S. to win. might = right . like I said in the other thread. war = bad. and the U.S. shall do bad things to win.

        long live the U.S.!!!!

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        • #64
          Such a war would have losers only. But for the troll: Your decadence is internal, and your downfall will be from internal strives.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by faded glory
            Ya AH, and in the end your lazyness and cowardness (cowardness ?) will be the sole reason why america lives and prospers, and why Australia wont.
            That's the funniest part - Our standard of living sh*ts on that of the average American and you don't even know it

            Same goes for a lot of "Eurocom" countries too. They have a much higher standard of living than you

            Oh yeah! Canada does too

            You think this is troll? Actually its quite true.
            Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..

            Look, I just don't anymore, okay?

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Comrade Tribune
              The Guardian: 'Mr Rumsfeld also said the US has "any number of reports" that Iran has been contributing to instability inside Afghanistan by arming Afghan factions.'

              Reports from Santa Claus that must be. The Iranian government was an enemy of the Taliban from day one, and has always tried to topple them.
              It is way Talibans recieved weapons from western. Because Western wouldn't that Iran faction control Afghanistan ...
              Zobo Ze Warrior
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              Your brain is your worst enemy!

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Roland
                The "No" will be slow to come as long as jerks like Schröder, slimeballs like Blair and utter morons like Chirac are in power, [...]
                Yes Mr Chirac...

                We have new election in few time. I hope he will not be re-elected. Because in this case, our Fair President while have big trouble with justice (I hope so)...

                His speeches about Afghanistans were pathetics...
                "Dear Frenchme, dear frenchwomen ... bla bla ...".
                He makes me laught ! Not a good thing for a President !

                Our former president Mitterand, no more honest of course, had still more guts and had more charism.
                Zobo Ze Warrior
                --
                Your brain is your worst enemy!

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                • #68
                  Corruption and fluffy blah, yes.

                  And what was it he had to say about arabs in one of his Paris mayor campaigns ? Add hypocrisy.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Sikander
                    If their government is not meeting their needs, then they should replace it. Every nation pays the price for it's leadership.
                    Removing Saddams Family from Irak leadership is a good thing.
                    But he US does that is not for human purpose or not only protecting them-self against terror-act. But to put a puppet which will give them the control of the area.

                    The new 'democratic president' will serve the purpose of USA, not of his civilians.
                    Zobo Ze Warrior
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                    Your brain is your worst enemy!

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Roland
                      Corruption and fluffy blah, yes.

                      And what was it he had to say about arabs in one of his Paris mayor campaigns ? Add hypocrisy.
                      Who Chirac or Mitterand ? Be clear ...

                      Chirac has no political project but be president ...
                      Mitterand had too ...

                      But the last one was more capable. The first one is too pathetic.
                      Zobo Ze Warrior
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                      Your brain is your worst enemy!

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by ZoboZeWarrior


                        Who Chirac or Mitterand ? Be clear ...
                        Chirac. I'm not aware Mitterand ever ran for Paris mayor ?

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Alexander's Horse


                          That's the funniest part - Our standard of living sh*ts on that of the average American and you don't even know it

                          Same goes for a lot of "Eurocom" countries too. They have a much higher standard of living than you

                          Oh yeah! Canada does too




                          Ya right. I think there about a dozen sources to prove you wrong.

                          Most Euro's dont even have cars


                          Everybody in america has cars



                          You think this is troll? Actually its quite true.
                          No it isnt. You said it isnt, you just trolled for the hell of it

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                          • #73
                            Well, at least now you can see who are your allies and "allies".
                            "Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master" - Commissioner Pravin Lal.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
                              That's the funniest part - Our standard of living sh*ts on that of the average American and you don't even know it
                              Let's put this assertion to the test, shall we? Would you mind telling me exactly where Australia and a lot of "Eurocom" countries rate in comparison to the US according to the official stats on the subject?
                              I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                              For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by faded glory
                                Most Euro's dont even have cars

                                Everybody in america has cars
                                You see? This is the sort of comment that makes us Europeans think that you Americans don't know the first thing about Europe except what your gradmother told you.

                                What on Earth makes you think that most Europeans don't have cars? What a crock of bull!

                                It reminds me of one time I invited an American phyicist to come and give us a talk (forgotten what on now). During the talk he wanted to make an analogy and said 'It's just like the electric windows in your car.....oh wait, you don't have electric windows in Europe, do you?' and explained it in a different way. We all just looked at each other thinking - what planet is this guy living on. He was serious - he seriously believed that electric windows hadn't made it over to Europe!

                                Just for your gratification, my car has electric windows,.... and air conditioning and seat heating and .....

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