US prepared to go it alone - allies warned.

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Djugashvili
Hopefully international pressure will cause the US to cease its phony 'war'.

Hey Hero, who said its a "phony war?" Seems like we got all the reason in the world we need, to fix those whom are terrorists and those whom harbor terrorists and those whom have "constructive" knowledge of terrorrists activities. If someone doesnt put an end to terrorism, stand up and make the hard calls, then one day it may happen in your back yard, then lets see if you are one of many "Sheeple" whom call blindly for helps, seeking refuge under a strong, brave country's flag of freedom!

I say if a country is harboring low-life cowards known as Terrorrists, and yes terrorrists are COWARDS!!!!! for attacking people innocently with random acts of violence, then I feel sorry for the country that is harboring them, because innocent civilians will indeed be lost, but such as the price we pay because too many pussey-footers want to allow "freedoms" for terrorrists!


Yours In Civin

Troll

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Comrade Tribune
The problem is if you say a country has an 'AlQuaida Problem', and they deny, and it´s your word against theirs, you expect the entire world to believe you without proof.

Do you still need proof that Afghanistan had an Al Qaida problem? If so then we will never be able to prove anything to the rest of the world. At that point we will have to rely solely on power.

Fortunately I don't think that the vast majority of the people of earth who have contact with a free press will believe that the U.S. is attacking a bunch of sh!thole countries in order to reinstate imperialism, or as some sort of religious crusade. We do so for reasons of state that are almost uniformly accepted around the world, namely self-defense.

[Comrade Tribune]

If you call the Guardian slanted crap, I can´t take you serious. Whom would you believe? The Times? The Observer? I don´t think they quoted Rumsfeld any different.

For the rest, read what I said above.

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
This is crazy stuff. Why offend your allies?

Now, thats a funny way to look at things, like the two men and the elephant, one has hold of the trunk and the other the tail, but have a slightly different perspective. I pay hard earned taxes, LOTS and hate to give my money so as foreign countries can eagerly take my money but when we need something, they get real indignant. It wasnt that many years ago England was in SERIOUS need of our help! Seems to me, they need to get on right page, as well as France and any other countries that were under oppression before America, the Greatest Nation on God's beautiful earth, stepped up to defend them!

Offend allies you say Horsie?..Hmm..I think someone needs to offend our allies and get them to get with the program of erradicating terrorrists from the holes they hide in!

Yours In Civin

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[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by Sikander
Do you still need proof that Afghanistan had an Al Qaida problem?

Who talked about Afghanistan? This thread is about possible future targets, right? I am positively convinced that neither Iran nor Iraq nor Korea have an AlQuaida Problem.

[Alexander's Horse]

I think part of the problem is Americans feel very emotional about Sept 11 and emotion rather than logic is driving policy. So when allies criticise things like the treatment of Camp X Ray prisoners, Americans get hurt feelings and say stuff like "we'll do it without you."

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Well it is obvious that the 'War on Terrorism' from this point won't be an overt war. It'll be a covert war, using the CIA and elite military troops. So it isn't like we'll be invading new countries or anything unless they ask us to get involved.

Imran, I agree with you. The only thing I would add is this; If we find large cells within the borders of a country, then ..wait...do you hear that..why..it..almost sound like a freight train..no..much louder..why yes..B-52's..and if carpet bombing a country that trains terrorrists,harbors terrorrist and finance's terrorists activities, well..they got what they deserved, gather wood, add a propellant, fire up a match and then you get burned, then whom do you have to blame?...not the Fireman responding to a blaze out of control, attempting to prevent it from spreading to other areas!


Yours In Civin

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[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
I think part of the problem is Americans feel very emotional about Sept 11 and emotion rather than logic is driving policy. So when allies criticise things like the treatment of Camp X Ray prisoners, Americans get hurt feelings and say stuff like "we'll do it without you."

Yes Mr. AH, part of it is emotion, but emotion is a human trait we all possess in some way shape and form. But when you find documents from an "organization" that details ways to attack your homeland and wreak havoc upon your soil, what should the course of action be?..be still and wait..ask for a "congressional" inquiry, ask for a NATO resolution, an "embargo" or some other ineffective imminence front? No, I say we be the great nation and leader of freedoms and take the bull by the horn and kick it in its butt! NOT laydown and hope it goes away, as some spineless jellyfish would have us do!

Yours In Civin

Troll

[Comrade Tribune]

Sure, whatever. Problem is, no one will believe you there is a single AlQuaida in North Korea.

[Alexander's Horse]

Of course whilst people like troll wallow in pity, allied forces are fighting alongside U.S. forces in Afghanistan. Strangely enough, those allies want to have a say over alliance policy.

It also seems to have been quickly forgotten by some stateside that citizens of just about every Western country were killed on September 11. So tell it to the priest.

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
Of course whilst people like troll wallow in pity, allied forces are fighting alongside U.S. forces in Afghanistan.

Including some Austrians, actually. But, to be honest: If I could veto that, I would.

Switzerland-style Neutrality would serve us much better.

[Transcend]

Originally posted by Comrade Tribune


Including some Austrians, actually. But, to be honest: If I could veto that, I would.

Switzerland-style Neutrality would serve us much better.

Digging your head into sand like an ostrich is of course a good solution.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Comrade Tribune
Who talked about Afghanistan? This thread is about possible future targets, right? I am positively convinced that neither Iran nor Iraq nor Korea have an AlQuaida Problem.

My point is that the same claim was made before we hit Afghanistan. Now the Taliban is no more, and very few people who aren't getting their news from their local "Information" Ministry think that we just attacked an innocent government with no justification. We wouldn't risk the lives of our own men nor our reputation on an attack if we didn't have good information. Showing that information to our enemies via the press beforehand just assures that whatever people / facilities we had hoped to target will be forewarned. We will provide plenty of evidence to the public at large once the military significance of that evidence has lessened, and we are assured that we can protect our sources.

About The Guardian and the British press in general:

While I don't have any illusions about the U.S. press' dedication to getting the facts and leaving the opinions aside, it has been my experience that the British press is exceedingly sensationalistic, simplistic and jingoistic when covering the U.S. Of the famous papers The Guardian in particular has an anti-American bent. Even the vaunted BBC (which I watch several times a week to get a British perspective and to see news about Africa which is rarely covered here) has terrible coverage of the U.S.

(A good recent example is the non-story that went on for days regarding the treatment of Al Qaida prisoners in Cuba, and which has resulted in the abduction of an American reporter in Pakistan. Nothing has come of this barrage of negative and almost entirely British press other than a lot of posturing by Blair and then the U.S. government. No torture was going on, and therefore none was stopped. Of course the story was useful propoganda in the Muslim world for our enemies. The net effect of this charade is that it weakens the West who supports human rights and press freedoms, and strengthens the intolerant Islamic militants who have no compunctions about torture, murder or supressing freedom of speech using those methods.)

They start with an assumption popular with the tiny class of people who make up the members of the British press that the U.S. is run entirely by insane clowns whose every failure stems from a stubborn refusal to listen to the wise advice of their British allies, and whose every success either defies description (more commonly just ignored entirely), or was the result of dumb luck. They would be at enormous pains to explain the huge numbers of successes that the U.S. has had over the years and find it more profitable to begin the insane clown warning process about the next issue rather than challenging their own set of assumptions.

Similar opinions are held here in the U.S. by the 5% of the population who occupy the extreme left of our political spectrum and who not coincidently have no political power and no experience in any of the practical realities of occupying a position of high public trust. This doesn't stop them from being self-proclaimed experts on every issue, and to hear them tell it they could solve 80% of the world's problems on their first day in power through a bunch of fuzzy programs that have no track record whatsoever in history, or at least not good ones. Needless to say that I don't have much trust in the pronouncements of the propogandists of the left whether they are amateurs here in the U.S., or professionals working for the Guardian in London.

[Alexander's Horse]

Of course this unilateral U.S. policy could suit a lot of allies and neutrals down to the ground - let the U.S. do all the heavy lifting whilst they sit back and enjoy the benefits

[faded glory]

Ya AH, and in the end your lazyness and cowardness (cowardness ?) will be the sole reason why america lives and prospers, and why Australia wont.