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**faded glory** · January 30, 2002, 14:34

Moronic Troll

Have you met Bush? Do you know him? Have you talked to him? Have you sat next to him in class?

I didnt think so....

So stop making Stereotypes and assumptions to feed your anti-american Ego.

The Ignorance on this board is amazing.

**rah** · January 30, 2002, 14:45

I have been and will hopefully continue to be a staunch Bush supporter. I think he has done a fine job as president.

But, even I cringed in my seat when he started on "AXIS OF EVIL"
part of his speech. It was a bit over the top and might reverse some of the positive trends that we've seen In NK and Iran. Maybe he has access to information that those suppossed positives were just PR and not real so he wasn't worried about flushing them down the drain. You can't tell.
Granted it was a speech to the American People, and that's generally what we wanted to hear, but he should have considered the international take on it as well. Frequenting this place has really made me more sensitive to those types of things.
For that I have you all to thank.

RAH

I also think focusing on weapons of mass destruction is also not a good idea, since many of our allies have nuke capabilities.

**faded glory** · January 30, 2002, 14:48

Our allies (europe, Israel, Russia) are all very responsible with there weapons. If N. Korea got nukes...I wonder if they would honestly use them against S.Korea or Japan. Or maybe even the W. Coast USA.

And if Iraq got nukes....god help us all..we would have to turn the country into a pile of worthless dust.

**Solly** · January 30, 2002, 14:50

A useless speech.

What else did you expect from that moron.

**DinoDoc** · January 30, 2002, 14:52

With friends like that....

Originally posted by Saint Marcus
First relations between Iran and the US were warming up because of Afghanistan.

A truely historic opportunity for the Iranian people which they themselves promptly flushed down the toilet by shipping 50 tons of weapons and ammunition to the PA.

**Eli** · January 30, 2002, 14:54

Diplomacy shmiplomacy.
No good intentions will cause Iran to stop developing nuclear weapons, to stop sending thousands of long range Katyushas to the Hizballa and fund terrorists group like the Hamas and the Islamic Jihad.

**faded glory** · January 30, 2002, 14:57

And when diplomacy fails, we send in the F-16's and AGM's. Which never fail.

It will happen...mark my words. Bush is not going back to the next State of the Union empty handed. This will be resolved within a year.

And your little terrorist coward ass friends will be obliterated like they were never there, with much precision and ease.

**rah** · January 30, 2002, 14:59

Our enemies of old are friends today.
The ruskies and the us came close to the brink more than once.
Our friends today could become our enemy tomorrow.

Yes it is symantics but I think Bush could have worded it a little differently.

When the speech is reviewed as many times prior and practiced as much as he did, I can't believe that someone didn't look up and go, "DO YOU REALIZE WHAT THAT SOUNDS LIKE"

RAH
Overall, I think it was good speech. And well delievered for all you people that continue to believe that Bush is not a good public speaker.

**Kyle** · January 30, 2002, 15:01

Re: Axis of Evil? "Tact" and "diplomacy" not found in Bush' voca

Originally posted by Saint Marcus
Iran, Iraq, North Korea. The Axis of Evil.

Those regimes are evil...

Right or wrong isn't the issue here. It's about stupidity and a lack of tact. First relations between Iran and the US were warming up because of Afghanistan. Iran even offered to aid the US in rescueing wounded troops, and it has said it will help Afghanistan recover. But after this moronic statement Bush' has managed to, once again, alienate countries from the US, and push America's "enemies" closer together.

Iran, one of the largest sponsors of terrorism in the world.

We don't want warming relations with them. Like the Iranian people, we want to get rid of the Ayatollah and have a real democratic government for Iran.

Instead of organising talks between North and South Korea, Bush somehow finds it appropriate to call the north "evil". Great going Shrubya, how on earth is that country going to open up when you keep it shut down by your stupid remarks. Someone really needs to shut that guy up.

Yeah, sure, Bush is to blame because the leader of NK is oppressive moron.

Worse still, I won't be surprised if Bush will give the order to attack those countries he named. Now that will be something to rally the world. Against the US that is. Russia, France and the Arabs are against an attack on Iraq, and China will undoubtly aid the North Koreans should the US invade. It's amazing how some totally unqualified people can become world leaders by having the right connections.

The arab governments will be quite happy to see Saddam go.

And if you think China would help North Korea, you're way out of touch with the going's on in the world.

**reds4ever** · January 30, 2002, 15:02

[QUOTE] Originally posted by faded glory
Moronic Troll

Have you met Bush? Do you know him? Have you talked to him? Have you sat next to him in class?

I didnt think so....

QUOTE]

what sort of statement is that? if those were the criteria for having an opinion on a public figure, they would be pratically beyond reproach!

all we have to go on is how the man conducts himself and comes across, not on whether we used to paint finger pictures with him in playschool

**rah** · January 30, 2002, 15:02

Originally posted by Boddington's
A useless speech.

What else did you expect from that moron.

Obviously you didn't check out the reaction in US papers. It was well received which makes it far from useless.

But then, what else can I expect from a moron.

RAH
Did you even see/read it?

Or are you just reacting based on sound bytes/comments or total ignorance?

**faded glory** · January 30, 2002, 15:05

what sort of statement is that? if those were the criteria for having an opinion on a public figure, they would be pratically beyond reproach!

all we have to go on is how the man conducts himself and comes across, not on whether we used to paint finger pictures with him in playschool [/QUOTE]

Im just pointing out some people hate him no matter what he says. The trolling is pretty thinly vieled these days

**reds4ever** · January 30, 2002, 15:12

at the end of the day the speech was written for americans and as such was a success, but (and this is not a troll) does anyone think it may be at the back of his advisors minds to keep the fear and anger boiling in america as long a possible, and try to get re-elected on the back of how resolute he was in the face of terror?

**Dauphin** · January 30, 2002, 15:17

Originally posted by faded glory
Moronic Troll

Have you met Bush? Do you know him? Have you talked to him? Have you sat next to him in class?

I didnt think so....

So stop making Stereotypes and assumptions to feed your anti-american Ego.

Neither have most peoples in these countries. Therefore the statement, right or wrong, in or out of the correct context, is not endearing. Have you guys not understood why so many of the peoples hate you?

Besides, diplomacy is about getting what you want/beleive, not saying what you want/believe.

Why do you think some countries suck up to the USA? Cos they like you?

No, they just see

opportunites.

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