Axis of Evil? "Tact" and "diplomacy" not found in Bush' vocabulary.

[Saint Marcus]

They are proven terrorists. They tried to kill Bush senior.

And Bush senior tried to kill Sadam.

Double standards indeed.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus
And Bush senior tried to kill Sadam.

Assassinating people was illegal at the time and we would never have done such a thing, SM.

[lightblue]

Originally posted by DinoDoc

Assassinating people was illegal at the time and we would never have done such a thing, SM.

I distinctly remember footage of bunkerbuster bombs going down airvents, in the hope of catching the Iraqi leadership. Might not be assassination in the strictest sense of the word, though I think it still counts as trying to kill someone .

[Saint Marcus]

Assassinating people was illegal at the time and we would never have done such a thing, SM.

And how about the attack on Gadafi's private residence that killed his daughter. Also not an assasination attempt huh?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus
And how about the attack on Gadafi's private residence that killed his daughter. Also not an assasination attempt huh?

Absolutely not! Because that would be illegal and wrong. Which is something that we know that the US would never lower itself to.

[Saint Marcus]

Denial

Still believe everything your leaders tell you?

[Kyle]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus





And how about the attack on Gadafi's private residence that killed his daughter. Also not an assasination attempt huh?

Colonel Gadafi was a legitimate military target.

And Bush senior tried to kill Sadam.

Double standards indeed.

Saddam, being the head of the military, makes him a legitimate target in a time of conflict (as Bush would've been). Saddam tried to have Bush killed after the the war was over (IIRC).

[Natan]

Roland, Bush specifically included the Kashmiri Jaish e Muhammed in his list of terror organizations America would fight. He praised Musharraf for cracking down on these groups.

As for Iran and Iraq, of course ongoing political instability is a major threat, but Nuclear weapons in the hands of madmen are an infinitely worse threat, and one which we very simply cannot ever allow the realization of.

[Saint Marcus]

Saddam tried to have Bush killed after the the war was over (IIRC).

The hostilities never ceased, so the "war" wasn't over.

[Bereta_Eder]

Osama and USA are the same!

They both violate international law and kill inoccents PLUS they use the same language for Christ sake!: crusade againt the Evil Doer - Jihad against the great Satan!

At least US is easier to contact in order to complain!

[Felch]

Paiktis, the US doesn't want to kill all the muslims in the world. Osama bin Ladin has repeatedly expressed his wishes that all non-muslims be either killed or subjugated. Preferably killed.

The United States have the capability to wipe out Islam. Or at the very least turn most of the Islamic world major cities into radioactive sheets of glass. We haven't done so.

Bin Ladin has done everything in his power to kill and main non-muslims. If the tables were turned I doubt he would hesitate to destroy the Hellenic cradle of our civilization.

So even though Al Qaeda and the US have violated international law and killed innocent civilians, it's a matter of degree. It's the essential difference between first degree murder and involuntary manslaughter.

I'm amazed that someone from the birthplace of logic needs this to be explained. You should know better.

[Shi Huangdi]

Those who think that we can have good diplomacy with Iran are deluding themselves. They have a moderate president with next to no power. They continue to try to oppose the USA- as one Islamic Judge said: "The interests of Iran lay in antagonizing the great Satan". They arm warlords in order to undermind the Karzai government. They continue to arm terrorists who oppose the USA. In terms of foreign policy, which is what concerns us the most of course, Iran continues to try to represent the interests of hard-line Islam. While pro-Iranians in the USA point out that Iran is increasingly having young people as a part of their population, it is most likely the Islamic Clerics would be willing to cling to power at all cost- and it is important to remember that while most young do not support Islamic fundamentalism, there are plenty who do who can make up a ruling minority.

The interest of Iran and the USA are fundamentally opposed. We should be looking for ways to undermine their regime and their foreign policy, not on how to rapproach them.

[Bereta_Eder]

FelchX, kindly notice the «smiling face» in my previous post

I was trolling, you great satan you

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
Those who think that we can have good diplomacy with Iran are deluding themselves. They have a moderate president with next to no power. They continue to try to oppose the USA- as one Islamic Judge said: "The interests of Iran lay in antagonizing the great Satan". They arm warlords in order to undermind the Karzai government. They continue to arm terrorists who oppose the USA. In terms of foreign policy, which is what concerns us the most of course, Iran continues to try to represent the interests of hard-line Islam. While pro-Iranians in the USA point out that Iran is increasingly having young people as a part of their population, it is most likely the Islamic Clerics would be willing to cling to power at all cost- and it is important to remember that while most young do not support Islamic fundamentalism, there are plenty who do who can make up a ruling minority.

The interest of Iran and the USA are fundamentally opposed. We should be looking for ways to undermine their regime and their foreign policy, not on how to rapproach them.

The point is that Bush and the US are using the pretext of terrorism when it suits them.

If they are against the US they are terrorists and should be bombed/undermined/whatever.

Sorry it doesn't work that way.

[Shi Huangdi]

In this case it does. Iran is an opressive fundamentalist regime that actively sponsors terrorism and is undermining the Afghani government.