Deaf "culture"

[November Adam]

Nope but they make do. Are deaf people raving lunatics, or sociopathic criminals due to their disability? It seems to me that they are just fine.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by November Adam
Nope but they make do. Are deaf people raving lunatics, or sociopathic criminals due to their disability

Did I say they are?

Originally posted by November Adam
Please do. The deaf community has done their best to ensure that their growth and development isn't harmed. Deaf people aren't different, they may have some disadvantadges, but those are overcome.

Are you honestly telling me that you cant think of any ways in which a child who grows up unable to hear is limited in their development? Im sure you can if you try...

[General Ludd]

I wasn't trying to compare this to genocide, or anything like that. I was trying to make some people realise that they have no right to decide who is 'normal' or 'correct' and who is 'abnormal' or 'flawed'. The point of my sarcasm was to point out the extreme that this attitude has been taken to in the recent past, where genocide was commited and anyone who was deemed to be 'flawed' was steralized to prevent them from reproducing - all in the name of creating a pure, or 'correct' race.



Being with out hearing is not a disability to someone who is born that way, to them it is the norm!

The only way someone can be handicapped is if they lose something they where born with - and even then it doesn't have to be a handicap, given the right attitude and the willingness to accept thier loss a person can overcome anything... ofcourse, it's alot more difficult when people are constantly demeaning or patronizing you, and telling you that you are less a person then they.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Caligastia
Are you honestly telling me that you cant think of any ways in which a child who grows up unable to hear is limited in their development?

Let's use the earlier example of an old 'Poly poster. Can you tell me exactly how someone who is leading a full life with higher education, a boyfriend, and an active social life is limited in thier development?

[November Adam]

Originally posted by Caligastia
Are you honestly telling me that you cant think of any ways in which a child who grows up unable to hear is limited in their development? Im sure you can if you try...

Sure I can think of ways, but I would like to know what YOU think, as your the one saying that this child would be adversaly affected.

People can overcome limitations, it actually helps build character. I am not saying we should stop trying to prevent these disabilities from occuring, but I am saying that people with these disabilities are not invalids.

Calig I understand what your saying, believe me I do. Yet parents should be allowed to raise their kids as they see fit (as long as they aren't commiting a crime), as should you.

[faded glory]

Umm the parents are sick.....First of all... the "Deaf Culture" isnt a culture at all...in fact, its a handi-cap!

When you say its a culture. I dont quite understand. If someone said you can be healed tommorrow? Why not Heal? I watched that same show, and they viewed Deaf culture as "Special" and should be preserved... Special my ass, its a damn handicap!



What I have to say about the parents, Selfish, Rude, and ignorant.

Saying things like "I dont want my child to grow up not knowing his deaf roots"? Wtf is that?


BTW, Co-hearing implants dont work for everybody. But they work good for children.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by November Adam


Sure I can think of ways, but I would like to know what YOU think, as your the one saying that this child would be adversaly affected.

People can overcome limitations, it actually helps build character. I am not saying we should stop trying to prevent these disabilities from occuring, but I am saying that people with these disabilities are not invalids.

Calig I understand what your saying, believe me I do. Yet parents should be allowed to raise their kids as they see fit (as long as they aren't commiting a crime), as should you.

One common way to overcome limitations is to go to the doctor (it is generally what I do when I am very ill or had a broken bone).

The parents are being bad parents (and you and Dino are being idiots defending their choice), but that does not make what they are doing illegal.

Cal:

Imagine that "Deaf Culture" is a new religion.
shouldn't parents be able to raise there kids in any religion as long as it is not against the law (actually indians can do it even if it is against the law)

The parents choice is not what I am defending (it is one of the stupidist choices I have heard of) and I think the whole "Deaf Culture" is one that should be eliminated (and not protected by the government) but they can make religious choices for their kids as long as it is not against the law.

Jon Miller

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
The parents are being bad parents (and you and Dino are being idiots defending their choice), but that does not make what they are doing illegal.

I'm defending the parents against people who wish to use State power to over-ride the parental freedom in this case and saying that the child will not become an invalid due to the parent's decision. Which seems to what your doing for the most part.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by DinoDoc


I'm defending the parents against people who wish to use State power to over-ride the parental freedom in this case and saying that the child will not become an invalid due to the parent's decision. Which seems to what your doing for the most part.

Except you are saying it is not that bad and seem to be (and I could be misinterpreting this) defending the parents choice.

The child will be handicapped and have a huge loss of opportunities and probably enjoyment from this. As such the parents are bad parents and people should recognize this and treat them and their ideas as such. But the state should only act when laws are being broken.

Jon Miller

[Sandman]

Fascinating debate.

But I think that this 'deaf culture' nonsense has to stop. It has absolutely no moral worth.

I can see deaf parents deliberately trying to deafen their children in order to perpetuate this 'valuable culture'.

[Jon Miller]

same here

I wonder where this started

(wondering when people will start seeing the need of spreading the AIDS culture)

I think some blame might go to the be proud of your disabilities crowd. I am not saying be ashamed of oyur disabilities but rather to recognize them for what they are, disabilities.

Jon Miller

[Ted Striker]

Nice dodge.

Ditto.

Why is that? It is the same exact decision.

It is the same decision, however, what you are overlooking is the
CONSEQUENCES OF THE DECISION.

Parents decide not to have surgery due to risks = This implies that the procedure is risky, and therefore the kid is spared from being possibly being hurt.

Parents decide not to have surgery due to "deaf culture" = This implies that the procedure is safe, they are not sparing the kid from harm, but simply denying the kid due to their own ridiculous beliefs in this, "deaf culture."

And all this bs you guys are spouting out about how the kid isn't old enough to know any better, that's a complete crock. Kids are very simple and very honest, they have an awareness, AND THIS KID OBVIOUSLY HAS AN AWARENESS THAT HE WANTS TO HEAR.

That's all it boils down to really. This whole deaf culture is a complete crock, and how dare these parents force something like that on their kid.

If I was a kid and in that situation, I would be pissed at my parents for life.

When the kid grows up resenting his parents, wondering, "what if?" let's see how you all feel about this "mature, informed" decision then.

Very poor decision here.

[faded glory]

Ok, now answer this.


You are the kid, and your parents tell you 12 years later, that you had a chance to be normal..... But because your mom and dad werent normal, they decided not to give you hearing.

How would you react?

[Caligastia]

I bet all of you who think its okay for the parents to do what they did would see it differently if the kid was born blind and could have cataracts removed.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Caligastia
I bet all of you who think its okay for the parents to do what they did would see it differently if the kid was born blind and could have cataracts removed.

What kind of logic is that?
You equate leaving something as it is (no risk) to removing something someone has (risk)?