Deaf "culture"

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Tingkai


We're talking about a six-year-old child. Do you think this child has the ability to make an informed decision about invasive surgery?

That's not the point and you bloody well know it.

The parents are not restricting their kid's right to hear based on the risks, but rathar they don't want their kid to lose her, "deaf culture."

The kid wants to hear. Let her hear.

How dare anyone take that away from her.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Dissident
that doesn't illustrate your point. It just says they are considered dropouts if they leave school. People leave school all the time in my city. They are called dropouts. No one forces them to go to school.

You have to be 16 here to drop out. I assume it's similar in the US.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Dissident
that doesn't illustrate your point. It just says they are considered dropouts if they leave school. People leave school all the time in my city. They are called dropouts. No one forces them to go to school

Ummm....

What do you think "compulsory" means?

Also: "Students may drop out of school if they have reached the age set in their state's law for the end of compulsory schooling, but dropouts are not considered to have completed school and no certificate or award is issued at this stage"

Notice how it specifically mentions that students may only drop out "if they have reached the age set in their state's law for the end of compulsory schooling"?

Whether or not the law is applied vigorously in the backwoods does not affect the fact that it's the law.

[General Ludd]

To bad some of you wheren't born a few generations ago, where mass genocide was commited to promote a pure and perfect race of humans, and where the practice of steralizing the 'handicapped' to prevent reproduction was acceptable - maybe with more people supporting such noble causes we wouldn't be having this discussion, as there would be none of those damned handicapped to worry about!











P.S. Why don't you lot go out and get artificial hearts? I hear that some of them are actually more reliable then the one you are born with.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
That's not the point and you bloody well know it.

The point is that children lack the mental capacity to make informed decisions about submitting themselves to invasive surgery and that parents are the people that have been traditionally entrusted with that responsibility. You're going to have to meet a high burden before you can override that little bit of freedom and the fact that you simply don't like thier decision doesn't cut it. Histrionics notwithstanding.

How dare anyone take that away from her.

How do you take something away from a person who never had it?

[KrazyHorse]

P.S. Why don't you lot go out and get artificial hearts? I hear that some of them are actually more reliable then the one you are born with

Actually, not even close.

That's a really stupid argument Ozzie. The last time I checked I wasn't advocating forcing parents to kill their deaf children, nor was I forcing any adult to get a cochlear implant. I'm simply saying that they shouldn't have the right to stop their children from getting such an implant.

[Asher]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Actually, not even close.

That's a really stupid argument Ozzie. The last time I checked I wasn't advocating forcing parents to kill their deaf children, nor was I forcing any adult to get a cochlear implant. I'm simply saying that they shouldn't have the right to stop their children from getting such an implant.

But you do say the beaurocrats in the government will make a more informed decision about a child's welfare?

BTW, Krazy, who will pay the bill for the optional surgery? The tax payers?

[General Ludd]

And yes, you must be 16 to drop out of school in Canada - otherwise it's possible that you could be taken to court, put in a phoster home ect... but in most cases they'd have a social worker help the kid out and look for alternatives. (I believe this is the first action in all cases, actually)

[DanS]

Dissident: actually, it is against the law to not go to school before 16 in the majority of states, as referenced above. Yes, they actually have truancy officers.

IIRC, home schooling most often requires some paperwork as well as regular visits by the authorities. My sister does it in Ohio, so the next time I see her, I'll ask.

Some, like the Amish, have special laws, IIRC. The Amish in my old area of Ohio only attend school through the eighth grade.

[KrazyHorse]

Not always. I'm not advocating bringing up all babies in government-run creches, you notice. When parents show their unfitness as parents, then the government will probably do a better job.

Who made "bureaucrat" a four-letter word, anyway? Buncha right-wing nutters, that's who. The guvmint in a democracy tends to be pretty responsive to public pressure.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by DanS
Dissident: actually, it is against the law to not go to school before 16 in the majority of states, as referenced above. Yes, they actually have truancy officers.

IIRC, home schooling most often requires some paperwork as well as regular visits by the authorities. My sister does it in Ohio, so the next time I see her, I'll ask.

Actually, it's all 50 states + D.C. as the passage I quoted above demonstrates.

[Asher]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Not always. I'm not advocating bringing up all babies in government-run creches, you notice. When parents show their unfitness as parents, then the government will probably do a better job.

Dear God.
Hitler did something similar.

Who made "bureaucrat" a four-letter word, anyway? Buncha right-wing nutters, that's who. The guvmint in a democracy tends to be pretty responsive to public pressure.

Not if you're from Alberta and lobbying the Federal government. We don't mean anything to them.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Asher

But you do say the beaurocrats in the government will make a more informed decision about a child's welfare?

BTW, Krazy, who will pay the bill for the optional surgery? The tax payers?

Cochlears for minors aren't covered by medicare? I'm think they are. Maybe not, but they should be.

[DanS]

Yeh, you're right. I didn't word it correctly. Long story short, the law says you gotta go to school.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Asher
Not if you're from Alberta and lobbying the Federal government. We don't mean anything to them.

That's because you're all right-wing nutters out there, and you can't even run your "protest" parties properly.

*chuckles about Alliance leadership troubles*