Deaf "culture"

[Shi Huangdi]

Originally posted by Dissident
I really am too lazy a bastard to reply, but oh well

as ****ed up as this may be, I see nothing wrong with it. Parents force worse things on their children. Like the Catholic religion

In any case, I agree this is a horrible decision. A horrible disability does not amount to a culture. Yes, there may be close knit-support groups, but that hardly justifies the burden you would have to go through. The ability to recieve verbal communications is one of the most important abilities we have. Imagine not being able to communicate with people in your regular life. You would not be able to functinoally attend normal classes. Your friends would be limited to people who also have the disability. What could you do for a living would be very limited. You could not listen to music. In your movie-going experiences you could not hear sound-effects. Your life could even be jeapordized because you may not hear warnings or car horns.

It is human nature to try to percieve weaknesses as strengths, but the fact is there are is just too many things you cannot do.

[Caligastia]

Re: Re: Deaf "culture"

Originally posted by Tingkai
One great thing about "deaf culture" is that instead of looking at deafness as a negative, it is viewed as a positive. In other words, instead of viewing themselves as victims of a disability, they perceive their deafness as a strength.

Great, so they avoid reality to make themselves feel better.

Originally posted by Tingkai
What do you think of the French Canadian parent living in a Montreal who does not teach their child to speak English. Is this child abuse?

That is not the same. Not learning a language is not nearly as limiting as being deaf.

[KrazyHorse]

These are not riskless procedures. You have another thing coming if you think it should be against the law for parents to refuse to have their daughter implanted with a device that's not necessary for her survival. She's not dying, she's perfectly healthy. She just can't hear

So? These people aren't declining to perform the operation because they're afraid of the danger; they're afraid their daughter will lose her "deaf culture".

Too ****ing bad if she loses her deaf culture, and too ****ing bad if the parents don't want it to happen. They aren't looking out for the best interests of their child; they're engaging in a political statement with their child's health and they should be stopped. What if their child had a severe ear infection and they let the doctors save her life, but refused to let them save her hearing? Should that be allowed too?

Some schizoid came up with the idea of a deaf culture to make deaf people feel better about themselves. If they want to hold marches and go to gatherings where they all worship a statue of a punctured eardrum then they're free to do so. By rejecting out of hand the idea of giving their daughter the ability to hear, they're demonstrating their lack of fitness to be her parents.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
The part I saw, the kid was arguing with the parents because the kid wanted the thing. The Dad was emphatically telling the kid, "no" in sign language, but the desparate look on the kid's face said it all.

I think legal right should be given to the kid in this case, rather than the parent.

Certainly not the state though.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
The part I saw, the kid was arguing with the parents because the kid wanted the thing. The Dad was emphatically telling the kid, "no" in sign language, but the desparate look on the kid's face said it all.

Just because a kid really wants something doesn't mean the parents should give it to the child.

[Caligastia]

I agree with Krazyhorse.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
What's the problem, KH? The child is perfectly healthy and will still be able to lead a productive life. What is the State interest in over-riding personal freedom when no life is being put at risk?

We force children to go to school, yet there is no concrete health risk there. Parents aren't, and shouldn't be allowed complete freedom in raising their children. When the parent does things manifestly against the best interest of the child, then that parent loses the right to raise his child. Children can't speak competently for themselves, so the State needs to do it for them.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Caligastia
I agree with Krazyhorse.

You would entrust the STATE in matters like this?!

Are you CRAZY?

[Tingkai]

The parents are saying their child can have a full and rewarding life without the implant and that in their opinion the implant would lead to a lesser life.

The parents should have the choice to decide.

[Asher]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
We force children to go to school, yet there is no concrete health risk there.

Going to school != invasive operation changing who you are.

Parents aren't, and shouldn't be allowed complete freedom in raising their children. When the parent does things manifestly against the best interest of the child, then that parent loses the right to raise his child. Children can't speak competently for themselves, so the State needs to do it for them.

ARGH!
That's sooooo wrong.

You would entrust the CANADIAN GOVERNMENT with decisions like this?
NEED I REMIND YOU about the Avro Arrow?
How about losing billions of dollars?

The Government can't make any decisions, I'd certainly not want them making decisions for me.
Why don't they just raise them for me?

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


We force children to go to school, yet there is no concrete health risk there. Parents aren't, and shouldn't be allowed complete freedom in raising their children. When the parent does things manifestly against the best interest of the child, then that parent loses the right to raise his child. Children can't speak competently for themselves, so the State needs to do it for them.

Are Canadian parents forced to send their children to school?

[Dis]

I'm leaving this thread- hold the applause. You guys are a bunch of whackos!!!!

There is no precedent for this. The state allows christian scientist to forgo medical treatment for themsevles and their children. So obviousy the state can't force the parents to have sugery on their kid

What is wrong with you people?

Why don't we just set up special orphanages for unfit parents. Since it seems many of you people who probably don't have kids seem to know what an unfit parent is. The goverment should take the kids away from unfit parents and put them in special camps where they can thrive.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Tingkai
The parents are saying their child can have a full and rewarding life without the implant and that in their opinion the implant would lead to a lesser life.

The parents should have the choice to decide.

I say that my children (hypothetical) can have full and rewarding lives without being sent to school (or home-schooled according to the laws governing it) and that in my opinion such formal education would lead to a lesser life.

Both opinions are, simply, wrong enough that they necessitate State intervention.

[Starchild]

If the kid wants the implant, then she's made a conscious decision of her own free will. By all means, she should get the implant if she wants it.

As for deafness somehow limiting a person's life....PPFFFFF. LordStone, who all the old timers should remember, was born deaf. And last I heard from him, he's leading a full life with higher education, a boyfriend, and an active social life. Deafness only limits you if you let it limit you. There's a ton of stuff available, from sign language to implants, to help the deaf adapt.

Don't get me wrong either, I'm a big fan of chochlear implant There's something amazing about being the first civilisation in history that can make the deaf hear.

Update: Just saw the post about the kid wanting the implant. The parents can go screw themselves then. If the kid wants it, they should get it. I was under the impression that someone outside the immediate family was pressuring the kid to get the implant.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Tingkai


Are Canadian parents forced to send their children to school?

Either that or home-school them according to certain regulations.