Deaf "culture"

[Dis]

one more post, honest

BTW the state doesn't force people to school their children. You aren't even required to home school your children. At least in my state. The state cannot take away a kid because he isn't schooled.

[Tingkai]

Re: Re: Re: Deaf "culture"

Originally posted by Caligastia
Not learning a language is not nearly as limiting as being deaf.

It can be the same thing. I have problems understanding people who speak Cantonese. The fact that I can hear what they are saying doesn't make a difference if I don't understand what they say. I am no better off than the deaf person.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Dissident
one more post, honest

BTW the state doesn't force people to school their children. You aren't even required to home school your children. At least in my state. The state cannot take away a kid because he isn't schooled.

I'm pretty sure it's require in most US states. Not certain. (Not even absolutely certain about up here).

EDIT: Now I am.

From http://www.evidyarthi.com/studyabroa...cenariocan.asp

Elementary education in Canada begins at the age of 6 yrs and continues till middle school. It is compulsory for every child to attend school.

Secondary education in Canada commences soon after elementary education and continues till the age of 16 yrs.

Both Elementary and Secondary level education are compulsory in Canada. A child must attend school between the ages of 6 years to 16 years

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Starchild
As for deafness somehow limiting a person's life....PPFFFFF. LordStone, who all the old timers should remember, was born deaf. And last I heard from him, he's leading a full life with higher education, a boyfriend, and an active social life. Deafness only limits you if you let it limit you. There's a ton of stuff available, from sign language to implants, to help the deaf adapt.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
We force children to go to school, yet there is no concrete health risk there.

Which, I'm sure you realize is several steps below forcing invasive surgery on a child?

Parents aren't, and shouldn't be allowed complete freedom in raising their children.

Why not?

When the parent does things manifestly against the best interest of the child,

How exactly is this against the best interests of the child? Starchild has already given you an example of a deaf person leading a full, happy, and productive life and thier are innumerable other examples.

Children can't speak competently for themselves,

I couldn't have said it better myself. That is exactly why we don't allow them to submit themselves to invasive surgery.

[Alexander's Horse]

There have been a few cases where deaf people have asked to have the implant taken out. The procedure is reversible.

[KrazyHorse]

DinoDoc

And there are numerous examples of uneducated children living healthy and productive lives. Irrelevant. The ability to hear is a great advantage, as is the ability to read, to do math, etc.

I agree that forcing education is below the level of forcing surgery, but this is an extraordinary situation. The inability to hear is an immense problem. It can be life-endangering, and limits your capabilities in as many ways as the inability to walk does.

[Asher]

KrazyHorse: You do realize that what you're proposing is akin to proposing the government mandating all children be circumcized upon birth?

It should be left up to the parent (although I think it should be left up to the kid actually, but they'll be so old when they have the ability to decide they'd not want it )

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Tingkai


Just because a kid really wants something doesn't mean the parents should give it to the child.

This isn't a freaking lollipop or the latest barbie doll.

It's somebody's HEARING!!!

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Ted Striker


This isn't a freaking lollipop or the latest barbie doll.

It's somebody's HEARING!!!

We're talking about a six-year-old child. Do you think this child has the ability to make an informed decision about invasive surgery?

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Asher
KrazyHorse: You do realize that what you're proposing is akin to proposing the government mandating all children be circumcized upon birth?

Please explain how having a foreskin has significantly negatively impacted my life.

Also, for the US:

Compulsory Schooling Compulsory schooling ends by law at age 16 in 30 states, at age 17 in nine states, and at age 18 in 11 states plus the District of Columbia. Students may drop out of school if they have reached the age set in their state's law for the end of compulsory schooling, but dropouts are not considered to have completed school and no certificate or award is issued at this stage

from http://www.ed.gov/NLE/USNEI/us/struc-geninfo.html

If you add up those numbers (30+9+11+D.C.), then you see that education is compulsory in 50 states + D.C. Which state are you from again, Dissident? Puerto Rico?

[Asher]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Please explain how having a foreskin has significantly negatively impacted my life.

That's not my point.

My point is you can live happily ever after with or without it. Choices like that shouldn't be left up to the government. They should be left up to the kid (if he/she understands what's going on), or the parent. The kid can always get the implants later if she wants.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Asher

That's not my point.

My point is you can live happily ever after with or without it. Choices like that shouldn't be left up to the government. They should be left up to the kid (if he/she understands what's going on), or the parent. The kid can always get the implants later if she wants.

That is my point. You can live happily if you were raised in a small underground cavern without human contact on a diet of fish heads and rice, but in general such conditions do harm to people, so we make it illegal to do this to children.

[Asher]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
That is my point. You can live happily if you were raised in a small underground cavern without human contact on a diet of fish heads and rice, but in general such conditions do harm to people, so we make it illegal to do this to children.

I don't think you're understanding the gravity of what you're saying.

You're talking about letting the government force its will onto people for optional surgeries. Do you realize the precedence this would set?

[Dis]

that doesn't illustrate your point. It just says they are considered dropouts if they leave school. People leave school all the time in my city. They are called dropouts. No one forces them to go to school.

we also have very rural counties in my state. No one forces these kids to go to school.